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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1859)	6/19/2002 9:04:22 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

Thomas, You said, "You want me to find evidence that someone recognizes Israel in 1880, when Israel did not exist? Are you sharing the glue with Lorne?" There was plenty of momentum, even in the 1800's, for Israel to once again become a nation. People new about Israel and talked about the re-formation of it, prior to 1947. (So maybe they were sharing the same glue as Lorne and I too!) Yes, your right, the nation of Israel was formed in 1947. So let me clarify my question for you (as I see the need for me too), show me any evidence for Muslim acknowledgement of Israel as a nation from 1947 until present (barring the Saudi proposal), or any evidence from the late 1800's until 1947, where the Muslims supported the reformation of Israel as a nation, as many in the world did? Some evidence of others opinion about the Jews and Israel, prior to 1947... Napoleon even recognized for the Jews to be reinstated in Israel. In 1799 he said, "Israelites arise! Now is the moment...to claim your political existence as a nation among nations!" [Napoleon quoted in Peter Grose, Israel in the Mind of America (New York: Knopf, 11983), p.8]. He said this when his armies were about 25 miles from Jerusalem. In 1840, British foreign minister, Lord Palmerston, stated it would be to the Ottoman sultans advantage if "the Jews who are scattered throughout other countries in Europe and Africa should be induced to go and settle in Palestine" [Palmerston quoted in Leonard Stein, The Balfour Declaration (London: Vallentine, Mitchell and Co., 1961), pp. 6-7] In 1845, Governor of Southern Australia and the founder of the Palestine Colonization Fund, Sir George Gawler urged, "Replenish the farms and the fields of Palestine with the energetic people whose warmest affection are rooted in the soil" [George Gawler, Tranquillisation of Syria and the East (London: T. and W. Boone, 1845), p. 6.], of course speaking about the Jews. In 1847, Lord Lindsay wrote that the "Jewish race, so wonderfully preserved, may yet have another stage of national existence open to them, may once more obtain possession of their native land" [A.W.C Crawford, Lord Lindsay, Letters on Egypt, Edom and the Holy Land (London: Henry G. Bohn, 1858), p. xi.] BTW, I love the way you pick and choose to respond to one small piece of my post(s) (if you respond at all) and ignore the stuff that doesn't suit you. Its convenient to be able to nit-pick like that! A true Islamic quality! God Bless, IGIT