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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/20/2002 3:39:06 PM
From: jjkirk  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Whatever!...RGLD up over 10% as we speak...jj



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/20/2002 3:43:16 PM
From: crdesign  Respond to of 89467
 
Re:IBD, without a doubt it is sinking into the realm of another mainstream useless rag for two reasons.
1-Oracle advertisments on THE FRONT PAGE!?
2-Their front page panning of the Gold surge in Mondays paper. Refresh my memory; What is their favorite line 'The trend is your friend.' or somthing like that. Now they are telling us to ignore one of the most bullish sectors out there.

"F" them I will not be renewing my subscription.

PermaBulls Suck

Tim



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/20/2002 3:51:34 PM
From: steve susko  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
CNBC Live: I just stained my tie. Why don't you do the report while I change my tie.

Are these people for real?



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/20/2002 4:01:40 PM
From: steve susko  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Live from CNBC: he put he hand on the screen to cover the C and said "there we go, we got Losing Bell today!!"

CNBC is a daily cartoon animation.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/20/2002 9:11:09 PM
From: SOROS  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
I'm sure you have seen this:

RBC Global Investment Management Inc., a
division of Royal Bank of Canada, whose gold
mutual fund is among the best performing in
the world, has issued a report to private clients
that fully endorses GATA's analysis of the
gold market and the world economy.

Don't worry -- GATA hasn't gone establishment.
To the contrary, the establishment in the gold
world is coming around to our central premise:
that central banks and particularly the U.S.
Treasury Department have been colluding
surreptitiously and desperately to suppress the
gold price and manipulate the gold market.

The RBC Global Investment Management report
seems to have been written by someone who has
been following GATA's work closely, taking notes,
and checking out our assertions. It's more evidence
that, because of your support, we're making a big
difference for the gold cause.

The report was sent to GATA this week by an
intermediary and is appended here.

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.

RBC GLOBAL INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT INC.
Report on Gold

Clearly, with gold stocks on a tear as the gold
price moves laboriously forward battling the
fervent attempts to suppress it, one must be
comfortable with the notion that the gold price
is going to overcome the forces that are aligned
against it. What is happening today is no different
than what was happening in the late '60s and the
very early '70s, when the Gold Pool was in
existence and the gold price was contained at
$35 per oz. by a consortium of central banks
that dumped a considerable amount of gold to
keep prices down. Today, instead of the overt
action of yesteryear, it is covert because the
market is allegedly free, and it has entailed a
different mechanism, which has resulted in a
humongous physical short position. In addition,
there has been an enormous amount of
derivatives piled on top, which could make the
ultimate upside explosion all the more spectacular.

So the question obviously is: "Will the gold rally
ever begin?" The following arguments emphatically
suggest that it will more than rally; it will explode to
the upside.

1.Unsustainable Supply/Demand Imbalance

Mine production has flattened out at 2,600 tonnes and
is beginning to fall due to a lack of exploration, falling
grade at many mines due to previous high-grading,
and the closing of older mines as they run out of ore.
It has been estimated by Beacon & Associates in an
exhaustive study that if gold prices were to remain
under $300/oz., production will fall in the neighborhood
of 25% over the next 5 to 7 years. Scrap supply tends
to average about 600 tonnes annually. Demand is
currently estimated to be roughly 4800 tons (primarily
jewelry) without any investment demand from the
Western world. The present deficit has been met by
direct central bank sales (roughly 400 tonnes per
year) and central bank leasing for mining hedges
and financial speculation.

2) Unsustainable Short Position

Central banks have ostensibly lent increasing
amounts of gold to earn interest on their reserves.
However, when one lends at an rate (less than 1%
generally), the question arises as to whether there
may be another motivation. As a rising gold price
stands as a direct repudiation of their alleged
responsible monetary policy, perhaps this is the
real reason they have been so aggressive in this
area. Bullion banks have borrowed gold from the
central banks for their own accounts and those of
various speculators, such as hedge funds and
financial institutions (the carry trade) and for
producers (mine hedging) and have used
derivatives to limit their risks and generate
additional income. The loaned gold has been
sold into the physical market and is now in jewelry,
primarily in the Middle East, India, and other parts
of the Far East. The size of the short position,
officially acknowledged to be more than 5,000
tonness by the bullion bank apologists, is thought
to be well over 10,000 tonnes and may exceed
15,000 tonnes. To put this in context, this constitutes
between one-third and one-half of all central bank
gold, and the vast majority of it is no longer
accessible.

3) Unsustainable Low Inflation

The gold price has a tendency to rise at the first
whiff of accelerating inflation. CPI inflation has been
unrealistically low due to the very strong dollar, which
has underwritten vicious foreign competition and
removed pricing power in many sectors. However,
in the final analysis, inflation is a monetary phenomenon
and the aggressive interest rate cuts and monetary
expansion to avoid recession/deflation is expected to
result in re-inflation. Year-to-date, the liquidity injection is more than $1 trillion and MZM has grown by 16.5% in the past year. To avoid debt default, the Fed must
err on the side of ease, virtually ensuring upside
pressure on the CPI. In addition, the "war on terror"
superimposed on Bush's mammoth tax cuts and a
four-year government real rate of spending increases
that is the greatest since the '60s portends large U.S.
government deficits, yet another recipe for inflation.

4) Unsustainable U.S. Dollar

The U.S. dollar has been levitating for a long time,
but the underlying fundamentals continue to erode.
The U.S. current account deficit exceeds $400 billion
annually, and the continuation of this chronic deficit
turned the U.S. into the world's largest debtor as
most of these deficits are being recycled into U.S.
debt instruments. However, foreign appetite for U.S.
securities appears to be ebbing and the chart on
the U.S. dollar looks very toppy . Gold is already in
a bull market in U.S. dollars, and an established bull
market in every other currency. If the reserve currency,
the U.S. dollar, falters, gold could well be launched
on the upside as people recognize its status as the
only "true currency."

5) Unsustainable Prices for Financial Assets

Western world investment demand will be the true
fundamental that drives gold much higher. Gold tends
to be counter-cyclical and investors buy it when financial
assets begin to lose credibility. Ownership and pricing
(P/E) of financial assets are at historic highs and if
inflation accelerates, the U.S. stock market is extremely
vulnerable. The ratio of the S & P 500 Index to the price
of gold reached an all-time high, by a considerable
margin, in 2000, but this parabola have been broken
and a downward trend is in effect. At the margin, if a
small amount of money is moved from financial assets
into gold, the price effect on gold will be dramatic and
the ratio will continue to move in gold's favor.

6) Increasing Evidence of Unsustainable Gold
Price Manipulation

a. Aggressive gold lending, which from an economic
perspective is indefensible, has filled the
supply/demand gap.

b. NY Fed gold has been mobilized when the gold price
is rising.

c. Timing of Exchange Stabilization Fund gains/losses
corresponds to gold price movements.

d. Audited reports of U.S. gold reserves show unexplained
variances.

e. Minutes of Fed meetings confirm officially denied gold
swaps.

f. Rules on gold swaps revised but subsequently denied.
However, individual central banks have repudiated the
denial.

g. U.S. gold reserves have recently been re-designated
twice, initially to "custodial gold" and latterly to "deep
storage gold."

h. Statistical analysis of unusual gold price movements
since 1994 indicate high probability of price suppression.
The invalidation since 1995 of Gibson's Paradox -- that
gold prices rise when real interest rates fall -- suggests that the real manipulation began then.

i. NY gold price movements versus London trading defy
odds.

j. Timing of huge increases in bullion bank gold derivatives
is consistent with gold price declines.

k. Rapid decline in U.S. Treasury holdings of gold-backed
SDR certificates is not explained.

One or two of these factors could be viewed as random, but
the full body of evidence is overwhelming.

It would appear that gold is beginning to be viewed as
money again. Gold is the only monetary asset that doesn't
represent somebody else's liability, and with U.S. real
short-term interest rates now in negative territory, there is no disadvantage in holding gold. Those with a vested
interest in containing the price of gold -- central banks,
bullion banks, heavily hedged gold companies -- will not
die easily, but the tide is moving strongly against them
and the embedded short positions could catapult the
gold price higher while imperiling the future of those
holding the short positions.

The great rallying cry of the bears is the mobilization of
even more central bank gold to the tide. Recently, Ernst
Welteke of the Bundesbank has spoken publicly of the
Germans selling gold after the initial Washington
Agreement limiting European central bank gold sales to
400 tonnes per year expires in late 2004 with the intention
of redeploying into stocks and bonds. Formerly,
commentary and action of this sort by central banks (the
announcement of Swiss sales, the initiation of English gold
auctions, etc.) devastated the gold market but this elicited
little more than a yawn. An astute gold analyst in South
Africa postulated the reason why, perhaps. There are
strong rumors that Deutschebank has borrowed an
enormous amount of gold (more than $10 billion worth)
from the Bundesbank over the years to facilitate the
carry trade, producer hedging, etc. and it is becoming
apparent that there is no way they will be able to pay it
back. Perhaps, to make good on their gold loans, they
will reimburse the Bundesbank with stocks and bonds
and Mr. Welteke is readying the German public for
with his statements.

In addition, there are enormous dollar reserves building
up in the Far East, particularly in China, and the Far East has acknowledged being significant buyers of gold. So the flow of central bank gold is not only one-way. Even the Russian Central Bank is on the buy side. The shibboleth of central bank sales will undoubtedly be trotted out again, but it is losing its sting, particularly if the possibility that as much as half of all the central bank gold may already be in the market starts to become more widely recognized.

In addition, in the '70s, when gold was rising sharply in
price, central banks, after having been heavy sellers at
$35/oz., sold little or none at higher prices. Central bankers are no different than the momentum players; if the price is rising, they are more likely to be buyers than sellers.

One last observation concerns the gold share price action
prior to the explosion of gold prices in the '70s. Then, as
now, gold stocks rose to prices that made no sense to
observers who had a static view on gold prices, but the
stock buyers knew that sharply higher gold prices were
inevitable. I suspect that is the case today, particularly
when one examines the foregoing evidence.

7) Gold Stocks

Gold stocks are perceived by many to expensive, but, in
fact, they are considerably cheaper than they were in the
late '90s. The central banks' overt attempts to bring the
gold price down (Swiss sales, British auctions, etc.) at
that time removed the premium in gold shares and it is
now gradually being restored as confidence returns to
the sector. In fact, if the gold prices were to rise sharply, I would not be surprised if the price to NAV continued to rise due to a shortage of viable gold stocks.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/20/2002 11:46:15 PM
From: SOROS  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Reruns, but fun:

The Coming Tidal Wave of Gold Demand
Kevin DeMeritt
05 Jun 2002
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It’s a scenario that’s taken time to unfold...but is now becoming crystal clear.

At its center are gold and the dollar. The scenario is this: the dollar, the once mighty symbol of American might and global dominance, is no longer perceived internationally as being bulletproof—due largely to America’s continuing role as the world’s leading debtor nation—and, as a result, dollar-holders are beginning to quietly exchange their positions for gold.

It really is a case of the dollar being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The fact is, our troubled world has never been in greater need of a “bulletproof” currency. With emergency flares shooting up over the planet’s number two economy, Japan, with America battling hard at a seemingly everlasting war, with Israel tied in a bloody Gordian knot, and with Latin American nations crying, “Uncle!” the absolute last thing the world needs is a currency that’s stumbling. But that’s exactly what it’s getting in the dollar.

Which is precisely why gold has shot past the $318 mark.

A Green Light for Canadian Retirement Funds

And it’s not going to stop there, either. Canadians, for the first time ever, can invest their registered retirement savings plan (RRSP) assets directly into physical precious metals. A new Gold fund that invests entirely in physical gold (not gold mining companies, futures or options)...and now enables everyone in Canada to invest in the actual metal itself. This is Huge!

Prior to now, Canadians could only invest indirectly through funds that were either exclusively or predominantly invested in gold mining companies. But the Millennium Bullion Fund is only interested in investing in precious metals—so much so that it forms a brand new RRSP asset class.

We’re talking about $400 billion of total Canadian RRSP funds here. And that’s big. Let’s say that just 10 percent of this $400 billion goes gold’s way. That would buy 30 million ounces of gold...or, in other words, more than a third of gold’s annual global production (irrespective of current demand).

Now consider Japan’s position. That government recently cut back on depositor insurance, a direct reflection of the health of that country’s banking industry. If just 10 percent of those anxious Japanese depositors turned around and invested the newly uninsured portion of their savings to buy gold, that would amount to half of all the gold held by the world’s central banks.

These two enormous “10 percent” moves haven’t happened as of yet. But it could be just a matter of time. All it will likely take is an increasing—or just a continuing—deterioration of the value of the dollar, or the state of the Japanese economy, to name just two of the world’s hairline triggers, for the current gold bull market to expand to stampede status. And that’s just the picture on the demand side.

Production That’s Already Years Behind

The picture on the supply side, were demand to suddenly jack up, is simple: there’d be no keeping up. As it is now, there’s 126 million ounces of demand...but only 82 million ounces of gold produced each year to feed it. And this is not a real fluid situation, either. The mining companies can’t simply press a button to jumpstart production.

For years, due to an artificially low price of gold, there’s been a contraction in exploration and new gold mine development. Most mines are geared only to make nominal profits and get by. Significant production from new mines wouldn’t realistically take hold for another five, maybe ten years. So a sudden monster gold move would be compounded by unusually feeble production. Climbing gold prices would then be a lot like the driver of a speeding car...that hits a concrete wall.

Most investments are haunted by nagging questions. Gold no longer is. Not only are the fundamentals solidly in place, not only does demand already exceed supply by some 40 million ounces, and not only is there a 14 percent profit potential virtually built in, and a Dow/gold ratio that’s still way overbalanced at 27 to 1 (in 1980, that ratio was “normal” at 1 to 1), but with peaking world tensions, rising oil prices, and a weakening dollar, do you really feel comfortable not maintaining a 20 to 30 percent gold position in your portfolio? Better think about it.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/21/2002 10:10:45 AM
From: Mannie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
To:Frank Pembleton who started this subject
From: Frank Pembleton
Friday, Jun 21, 2002 9:02 AM
View Replies (1) | Respond to of 14652

How to play the declining U.S. dollar
Five ways to profit: Institutions using forward contracts to bet against US$

Jason Chow -- National Post
Friday, June 21, 2002

The decline of the U.S. dollar over the past three months has become an obsession for market watchers and money managers.

What a change in such a short time. Until recently, the U.S. dollar's strength seemed impenetrable. Even during last year's
economic downturn and through the Sept. 11 attacks, the dollar remained the standard in world currency markets.

But since the end of March, the U.S. dollar has turned from an investor trump card to wild card. Against the Canadian dollar,
the greenback has lost 4% while against the yen and euro it has lost 6% and 7%, respectively.

Rising gold prices, weak equity markets, political uncertainty, and a widening current account deficit have been the usual
explanations for the decline. Yesterday, the U.S. dollar slid to its lowest levels against the euro in two years after a
government report that showed the U.S. current accounts deficit had ballooned to a record-high US$35.9-billion in April as
imports outpaced exports.

These days, it seems like no one trusts the once-infallible greenback. Reports of pundits and money managers favouring
non-U.S. assets have only heightened the pessimistic mood. The falling dollar, combined with lacklustre performance in stock
markets, have caused global money managers to look elsewhere.

"Global investors are now in trouble," said Don Coxe, chief strategist at Harris Bank, a U.S. division of BMO Nesbitt Burns.
Not only are U.S. stocks falling, but their value in foreign currencies is falling at the same time. "They're losing two ways."

Institutional investors have begun to bet against the U.S. dollar. The Toronto-based CI Global fund, worth $2.29-billion, has
a weighting of about 1% in Canadian stocks, but a Canadian-dollar currency weighting of 18% through forward contracts as a
hedge against the greenback. The contract forces the fund to buy Canadian dollars at a future date against U.S. dollars at a
specified rate. In other words, the fund is betting that the loonie will appreciate against the U.S. dollar during the contract's
duration.

Individual investors are being told to bet the same way. Financial advisors have traditionally told U.S. clients to keep 10% in
foreign equities, but last week, Steven Roach, chief economist at Morgan Stanley in New York, recommended individuals
should double the amount, partly due to currency weakness.

Economic pundits and investors have started to weigh in on the U.S. dollar uncertainty, with some saying the fall is only a
short-term pullback with others forecasting a multi-year slide.

There are signs of hope for a rebound: the Philadelphia Federal Reserve index, a leading economic indicator, jumped to 22.2,
up from 9.1 in May and well above the consensus of 11.0, suggesting the economy is well on its way to recovery.

Still, with uncertainty and the potential for the U.S. dollar to decline even further, investors are starting to look to see how to
shift their portfolios to accommodate the changing environment. Here's five ways to profit from a declining U.S. dollar:

1. BUY NON-U.S. SECURITIES A falling dollar makes securities priced in euros, yen and other currencies rise.

For example, a stock trading in early March for 10 euros was worth about US$8.65 then, but now is worth 11% more at
US$9.60, even if the stock price hasn't moved.

The easiest way to play non-U.S. stocks is to stay invested in Canada. Also, non-U.S. foreign stock or bond funds could
prove useful. Investors who are absolutely certain of the greenback's slide should watch for funds that forgo currency-hedging
strategies. Such funds would offer the greatest exposure to currency fluctuations.

A riskier play would be to buy the foreign stocks individually. More than 2,200 ex-U.S. companies from more than 80
countries have their shares listed on U.S. exchanges in the form of American Depositary Receipts.

2. BUY GOLD Gold and the U.S. dollar have been engaged in a generation-old dance. When one goes up, the other goes
down. "Gold is the shadow currency," said Mr. Coxe, who's recommending clients buy gold stocks because he sees
continued weakness in the dollar.

3. BUY MULTINATIONALS A lower U.S. dollar would likely translate foreign sales into more dollars and bolster earnings.
Because of this factor, Salomon Smith Barney strategist Tobias Levkovich thinks major consumer, industrial and materials
companies will benefit, including General Motors Corp., Philip Morris Co., McDonald's Corp. and Proctor & Gamble Co.

4. BUY U.S. FIRMS THAT THRIVE IN DOMESTIC MARKET A lower U.S. dollar means U.S. goods become more
competitively priced as foreign-made goods become more expensive, encouraging U.S. consumers and businesses to buy
domestic, as well as boost exports.

Mr. Levkovich said companies in agriculture, paper, metals and chemicals sectors would be most affected by lower dollar
levels vis-à-vis foreign competition.

Still, the strategist warned investors that currency weakness alone "does not seem like a sound investment strategy," but a
weaker U.S. dollar does enhance the story for certain sectors. For example, Mr. Levkovich thinks shares in U.S. steelmakers
are on the way up because of growing volumes, rising prices, and declining U.S. capacity. The fact they are poised to reap
more profits as imported steel becomes less competitive because of the lower dollar is not a reason in itself to own the stock,
but would be "added gravy to the fundamental investment story."

5. AVOID U.S. IMPORTERS AND CANADIAN EXPORTERS TO THE U.S. Companies that import heavily could see their
costs rise. Market pundits have singled out merchandisers as one sector who could see their earnings slide as imports become
more expensive.

The inverse is also true -- exporters exposed to the U.S. market will see their earnings crimped. Potash Corp. of
Saskatchewan recently said its second-quarter earnings would be 60% lower than expected, partly because a rise in the loonie
makes U.S.-derived earnings less attractive when converted back to Canadian dollars.
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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (562)6/21/2002 3:46:12 PM
From: Clappy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
The latest COT is out.

Commercial Traders continue to unwind their large short position on the yellow stuff. Covered 4,189 short contracts.

cftc.gov

They also went longer in silver and less short in copper.

I wonder if that falling dollar is making them skittish...