To: Constant Reader who wrote (15195 ) 6/21/2002 3:42:50 PM From: Neocon Respond to of 21057 Third Wayism originally came from European social democrats, who did not insist on nationalization of the economy, but used various levers to create social welfare states, with Sweden leading the way. Then it came to refer to neutralism in the Third World, or those uncommitted to either the capitalist or socialist camps, but socialist "with a difference", that is, more pragmatic, ostensibly. Nasser and Nehru exemplified that sort of "third way". There were other claims of Third Wayism, but most recently, it has been associated with neo- liberalism. Neo- liberalism is liberalism influenced by "wobblies" on the Left, and neo- conservatives on the right. The "wobbly" criticism of the welfare state is that it is technocratic and paternalistic, rather than empowering. Thus, SDS, for example, tried to encourage "participatory democracy" and "direct actions" in organizing rent strikes and volunteer councils in the inner city, in the 60s. The neo- conservative criticism of the welfare state had to do with the limits of social policy, the tendency of too many social programs to render their clientele dependent, the bad tendency to discount the role of values in maintain a decent society, and the "law of unintended consequences". Neo- liberals take all of this to heart, and try to avoid some of the pitfalls of the welfare state, while still being essentially committed to federal, bureaucratic, and ambitious programs. They just try to build in things that will mitigate some of the bad effects, like job training for welfare recipients, or "values rhetoric" in teen programs. They are, in the end, not able to seriously rethink the welfare state, however.......