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To: John F. Dowd who wrote (166849)	6/22/2002 2:16:56 PM
From: tcmay	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

"I guess you haven't spent much time in the Bible. The Israelis or Jews are just trying to recover what God gave them. Check out the original boundaries. The present day Israelis are being very temperate. All of the mid EAST really little in the way of historical boundaries as presently configured save for those boundaries drawn up after WWI and WWII by the winners. But the Israelites have a long standing prior claim." Incredible to use an argument written down from a book of superstitious beliefs about a desert god in a desert backwater. News flash: The Jewish ancestry persons from Poland, France, Russia, and other European nations have only a very small amount of Jewish blood (genes) from those desert tribes who happened to write the documents in 800 B.C. (the Pentateuch, that is) which supposedly established this "Covenant." The Palestinians have lived in that area for the past several hundred years, and of course for a thousand years prior, which counts for more than the fact that some Jew from Yonkers is claiming that YHWH spoke through a burning bush to a crazed old man wandering in the desert and told him, circa 1200 B.C., that an Arab orange grower in 1948 needed to have his house burned down so that some Jews from Poland and Bevery Hills could move in. --Tim May

To: John F. Dowd who wrote (166849)	6/22/2002 2:32:33 PM
From: kapkan4u	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

<As far as the market is concerned good luck to all those that choose to remain long.> I understand perfectly what you and many others are going through in this bear market. Loosing money is so hard emotionally because inevitably one interprets it as a personal failure. In late summer of 1995 I started accumulating INTC call leaps. I owned INTC from the options and stock plans at work, but this was my first foray into the big money trading. INTC was going up I was making money and buying more Jan 97 call leaps. Then the stock started to crater, but I kept averaging down. In December I was loosing $150K on a $300K investment, so I decided to salvage the remaining half and sold the leaps at the exact bottom in the last weeks of December 1995. I lost $150K. Had I kept the leaps I would have made millions. Loosing money was hard, but the realization that I chickened out was much harder to deal with. This experience saved me several times later because I was determined to rather loose all, than being a wimp watching your former positions take off just after you sold them. Kap

To: John F. Dowd who wrote (166849)	6/22/2002 7:19:06 PM
From: Eric K.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Re:people who have a clue about history beyond what they read in the op-ed pages The willingness of the reflexively pro-Israel crowd in this country to hack anyone who criticizes it as "ignorant of the historical facts" always amazes me-- I think it's little more than a major exercise in transference. tcmay's response demolishes your little post. In general, very few people in this country have a clue about the origins or early history of Zionism (let's talk about the Irgun and the wrongness of "rewarding terrorism") or the history of the Arabian Peninsula, and the Israel love-fest commentary in our media almost invariably suggests either that the author is an ignoramus or assumes that the intended audience is. Regardless, I don't know of one op-ed page of a major US daily that is anything other than 100% pro-Israel-- so I'm not sure where you get off making your assertion that someone would pick up an anti-Israeli stance from reading the op/ed pages of major US newspapers. Liberal, conservative; NY Times, Wall Street Journal, whatever-- editorials written about Israel sound virtually identical in any major US periodical.