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To: Elmer who wrote (83273)	6/22/2002 4:57:33 PM
From: Charles Gryba	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

EP, are you saying that the thousands of AMD employees working to produce the x86-64 line of cpus and all their partners are doing all this work supporting the AThlon/Hammer/HT is in vain and there's no chance that AMD will succeed in making good $$$ from Hammer? C

To: Elmer who wrote (83273)	6/23/2002 9:00:59 AM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Elmer Re..They've sold off virtually everything they have including their headquarters building< I believe they would still have Jerry's limos. Expect a sale because Jerry will continue the war to the end. Haven't you heard, Jerry did continue the war to the end, however, Hector is the new CEO. If as I suspect Jerry has been overhyping Hammer, the end of AMD is not far beyond that. << All of you chicken little bees, who have been predicting the death of AMD for 20 yrs, will be wrong again. AMD had harder times before Athlon, namely during the lawsuit. Does AMD depend upon Hammer? Sure, just as Intel depends upon P4. Surely, you aren't suggesting that Itanic will save Intel, if P4 falters. Both companies have relied upon one chip throughout their lives. Why would it change now. And when you look at the outside (of AMD) reviews; all who have seen and tested the samples so far, have been positive. Far greater than both Athlon and P4 has ever gotten. All of these people can't be wrong. So, what is the problem? As far as the mhz trumpeters, I would consider it likely that mhz will be replace by performance within 5 yrs.. The P4 has at least three clocks,(double pumped ALU, master clock, and 1/2 speed cache etc.) Hammer could have more, based on our discussions last wk, so who is to say what the real clock is. One could easily build a cpu, where the master clock just determines the ratio and timing for the other clocks; and that clock could be set at 3 x the cache clock. Who knows. All you really need to do is make sure the cpuid program reads the higher clock. Just as the benchmarks can be rigged, Intel has shown, the clock can be rigged, as the P4, if you average all of its clocks, based on which clock controls what proportions of the cpu, AFAIK, doesn't average as high as the listed mhz. And one could do as Intel is claiming for their cache, and for memory speeds, and trigger on both the up and down side, and claim a doubling, and now quadrupling, of clock. Who knows what the real speed of a cpu is anymore. That is why performance will have to take over as the determinant of the faster cpu.