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To: Sig who wrote (7961)6/26/2002 9:44:59 AM
From: Venkie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
bot a little gps..manu this am.
my pdli is holding a little.



To: Sig who wrote (7961)6/26/2002 11:08:57 AM
From: Venkie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
this was not a wash out and I'm selling most likely..need more fear..no bottom put in....shorts are to greedy to let it go.



To: Sig who wrote (7961)6/27/2002 1:24:48 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 13815
 
Barton Biggs is Getting Bullish...

What's Turning Barton Biggs into a Bull
By Gene Marcial
JUNE 25, 2002
INSIDE WALL STREET ONLINE

Morgan Stanley investment strategist sees "classic" signs of a "double bottom" in equities. He says that means it's time to buy

It's not often that the usually bearish Barton Biggs, Morgan Stanley's top honcho on global investment strategy, gets bullish on the stock market. This is one of those rare times.

Biggs figures that equity markets around the world are in the process of making a significant "double bottom." He says based on scientific and technical studies of the current markets, "important buying opportunities are developing." While he doesn't think that all the excesses have been purged and that valuations are still somewhat inflated, "My guess is that the bearishness and selling have been overdone," say Biggs.

That's quite an optimistic outlook coming from Biggs. The last time he was hugely bullish on equities was right after September 11, when the major market indexes crashed. Biggs was on the money then: Stocks soared after Sept. 21 from the depths that the Dow Jones industrial average, Standard & Poor's 500-stock index, and Nasdaq composite had plummeted to. Biggs laments that he had advised selling too early -- in February. The market kept going up for some time thereafter.

"DOWNSIDE WHIMPER." But the second bottom that he sees will be quite an opportunity to buy again, according to Biggs. He notes that the first bottom is usually climactic, with panic selling on high volume. It's then followed by several extended rallies -- before a test of the first low unfolds.

"The second, or double, bottom occurs months later and is characterized by lower volume, despondency, and capitulation in the groups that were leaders of the earlier bull market." Like a downside whimper.

That's where he says the market is right now: Since its 2000 peak, the Nasdaq has fallen as much as the Dow did from 1929 to 1932, notes Biggs. And it has dropped more than Japan's Nikkei index has since its high in 1989, he adds. "The pattern of the equity markets since last summer has been classic," says Biggs, in foretelling that a double bottom is about to happen -- or has already begun.

A VIGOROUS RALLY. Given all these, "we have increased our exposure to equities," says Biggs. Assuming the September lows hold, as he expects, rallies of 15% to 20% are conceivable in the broad indexes in the U.S. and Europe, predicts Biggs.

In the U.S., he forecasts that over the short term, the Dow will climb to between 10,800 and 11,000, from 9,380 currently. The S&P 500, now around 1,000, should go up to the 1,100-1,200 level. And the Nasdaq could go up sharply, to around 2,000, from 1,460 currently. He thinks that technology, media, telecom, and the other "destroyed groups" could have much larger bounces than the rest of the market. Biggs says he doesn't predict a new bull market -- just a vigorous rally.

Another savvy market watcher, Edward Yardeni, chief investment strategist at Prudential Securities, also thinks that the market will make a double bottom -- "and then rally back to at least the year's highs by yearend." The previous two double bottoms occurred in 1962 and 1974, recalls Yardeni. Some 12 months later, he says, the S&P was up 33% after the '62 double bottom, and it went up 38% after '74's.

TOO CAUTIOUS? Morgan Stanley's Biggs notes that some investors, including many in Europe, argue that valuations still aren't low enough and that it's possible that a double-dip recession in the economy could be coming. So they believe that expressing such bullish views is "early -- maybe by years."

Biggs's response: "As far as I know, the God of Markets never ordained as one of the Ten Commandments that all of the classic technical and sociological extremes had to occur before a good bottom could be put in place." The fact that so many investors are waiting for the "right stuff" to occur before they'll be convinced of a bottom "diminishes the probability of their occurring," he says.

"Our valuation measures, including both the dividend-discount model and the forward yield-gap analysis, indicate that the U.S. and European markets are now undervalued," Biggs argues. The sentiment indicators, for one, say stocks are very oversold.

RISING EARNINGS. He says the fundamentals also support his argument that, for the time being, stocks have fallen far enough. Biggs notes that the world economy is not booming, but it is recovering. And that could be a blessing because it suggests a slower but more extended cycle. He thinks corporate earnings in the U.S. and Europe have seen their troughs and will post at least three or four quarters of favorable comparisons.

What about the issues of corporate mistrust and fears of terrorism? "The peccadilloes of Wall Street and Main Street have been all over the press and on TV," says Biggs. So they must be pretty well digested by now, he adds. The news need not be good, he argues, for stocks to go up. It just needs to be less bad than what's already out there. As to fears of terrorism, he believes the market has pretty much discounted most of what could happen -- except for a nuclear attack.

The last word from Biggs: "My case is that if you wait for every indicator to flash green and all the stars to align, and Jupiter to merge with Mars, you may miss the buying opportunity, the main chance."

Marcial is BusinessWeek's Inside Wall Street columnist



To: Sig who wrote (7961)6/27/2002 11:48:25 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 13815
 
Are we dealing with a 'Negative' Bubble...??

_____________________________________
Economists see 'negative' bubble
By D.C. Denison
Boston Globe Staff
6/27/2002

During the late 1990s, Robert Shiller, an economics professor at Yale University and an expert on market volatility, studied the dynamics of an economic bubble as the tech-fueled boom took the financial markets to unprecedented heights. Now Shiller is seeing some of those same dynamics at work, but heading in the opposite direction.

''It's important to recognize that a bubble can go both ways,'' Shiller said yesterday. ''And what we're seeing now has the nuance of a negative economic bubble.''

There's no lack of evidence to support Shiller's thesis. Yesterday's announcement by WorldCom Inc. that it had improperly booked nearly $4 billion in expenses is only the latest in a long litany of overstated earnings, accounting irregularities, conflicts of interest, and outright fraud that has buffeted the financial markets.

To Shiller, a student of financial booms and busts, the current situation appears eerily familiar.

''It's starting to look like the bubble of the '90s was a lot like the bubble of the 1920s in terms of some of the shenanigans that companies were pulling,'' he said.

Certainly investor reaction to this string of revelations has been clear and unmistakable. Even before the WorldCom announcement, investor optimism was at its second-lowest level in history, according to the Index of Investor Optimism, a joint effort of the UBS AG financial services company and the Gallup Organization.

What's less apparent, for students of the psychology of financial markets, is what role investor confidence will play in the future of the economy, and what, if anything, will stem the slide.

''We're in the middle of what I would call a `bear market depressive syndrome,''' said Dr. John Schott, a clinical instructor in psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and a portfolio manager at Steinberg Global Asset Management, a money management firm based in Boston and Boca Raton, Fla.

''It's not hard to notice many of the classic symptoms of depression playing out in individual investors and the market in general,'' he said.

Specifically, Schott mentions the denial and anxiety that affected investors early in the bear market. ''People were unbelieving at first,'' he said.

More recently, Schott believes that investors have moved to a second stage, ''a great sense of depression, a feeling that the down trend is going to go on and on.

''People used to ask me, `When is it going to end?''' he said. ''Now I'm hearing investors saying, `I think this is going to go on forever.'''

The ''classic'' final stage of the current malaise, according to Schott, is ''a catastrophic sell-off, when a large number of investors throw in their cards and sell their stock.

''The day you see the Dow go down 700 points with 2 billion shares sold, that's when it will be over,'' Schott said.

''That's the final stage: panic and capitulation.''

Schott said the financial markets went through a similar, though less dramatic, sequence from 1974 to 1981.

''And looking back, we can see that set the stage for the next great bull market,'' he said.

Richard Geist, president of the Newton-based Institute of Psychology and Investing and a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School, is also watching carefully for a final precipitating event that will signal the end to the current financial slide.

''Maybe WorldCom is it,'' Geist said. ''It's too early to tell.

''Usually when things are going badly for a long time, there's that one final blow that has the psychological effect of driving the sellers out of the market,'' he said.

''What usually pulls us out of a downturn like this is a major crisis.''

Whatever the mechanism, Geist believes investor confidence could turn around dramatically because many of the financial basics are positive.

''Interest rates are low, inflation is nonexistent,'' he said. ''Investor confidence is one of the only things that's truly bearish, and that's because the focus today is on the very small percentage of companies that are not honest. That's not the whole picture.''

Yale's Shiller has also been thinking about possible turnaround scenarios. He believes the triggers may turn out to be positive earnings numbers and increased regulation.

''If companies start meeting positive earnings estimates, that will make an impression on investors,'' Shiller said. ''Government action could also have an effect.

''Things started turning around in the 1930s, after the creation of regulatory bodies like the Securities and Exchange Commission,'' he added. ''Investors are pretty confident in the government's ability to enact effective regulations.''

D.C. Denison can be reached at denison@globe.com.

This story ran on page C1 of the Boston Globe on 6/27/2002.



To: Sig who wrote (7961)6/27/2002 6:38:08 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 13815
 
America looks very different from afar:

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