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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Cogito who wrote (267385)	6/26/2002 8:51:00 PM
From: CYBERKEN	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Until Clinton took office, many CEO's might have wanted to act like monkeys jerking off in the trees, but they didn't dare. It was always believed that America supported moral standards, and that those who broke them (primarily Democrats) wouldn't be tolerated for long. Clinton and his slimy sheisters, hanger-ons, and toadies, managed to change all that at the highest levels. Business executives, like monkeys jerking off in the trees, imitate what they see. We allowed them to learn the wrong lessons, because we, collectively, lacked the character to run the criminal, Clinton, out of office. So the answer to the question is a resounding YES! Enron, WorldCom, Global Crossing and whatever else comes next WAS created by the liberals in 1998 and 1999 when they refused to let go of Clinton, and we didn't run them out of power for it. In other words, if you want to look the person in the face who's to blame for today's corporate scandals, just go look in the mirror. And keep mumbling the phrase "everybody does it", because YOU have made that come true - in spades. George Bush will now begin to clean this mess up, just as he is cleaning up the multitude of other Clinton messes. In November, the people will give him a Senate to help. Dummy up and watch for the next 6 years...

To: Cogito who wrote (267385)	6/27/2002 2:15:32 PM
From: Fangorn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Allen, re >Yet a very long and expensive investigation undertaken by an Independent Prosecutor failed to turn up any crimes except for lying under oath about an affair. < This is historic revisionism so blatant as to be obscene. There were 14 people convicted on 42 (by my quick count) counts for Whitewater alone, I'll let you look into Travelgate, hundreds of FBI files, Monicagate, etc. for yourself. Right now you owe Ken Starr a great big apology. I will not hold my breath while I wait. Second item on a google of "clinton whitewater convictions"... gargaro.com WHITEWATER: 5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995) 6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998) 7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997) 8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996) 9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996) 10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996) 11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996) 15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995) 16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996) 17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998) 18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998) 19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)