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To: E who wrote (15660)	6/26/2002 8:28:08 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 21057

whether they are selected for death by a lottery rigged by race, sex, and class or not I think it likely that capital cases are less rigged by race or sex then ordinary criminal convictions. Would you toss out all penalties because of this bias? If you answer no how is the bias an argument against the death penalty? Yes death is not reversable so you want to be careful but the argument that too many innocent people are convicted (however you define too many) is a seperate argument. The innocent people getting executed argument applies if the people who this happens to are mostly of one race or other group, or if they are evenly distributed (by either the percentage of the population their group represents or the percentage of the murderers that come from there group) Tim

To: E who wrote (15660)	6/26/2002 8:44:27 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

Have I been accurate, Laz? How would I know? You didn't direct this to me. :-) whether the defendant is a juvenile I BEG YOUR PARDON! I never said THAT! he would curtail the appeals process that has been designed to reduce wrongful executions And does wonders for the employment of the lawyer class. And often seems to be really nothing but a delaying tactic by the DP opponents. Who don't care the the sucker is innocent as a babe or guilty as all sin, THEY JUST DO NOT WANT HIM EXECUTED! Period. And will spend any amount of other people's money to get their way. Is that a fair summary? :-) Have I been accurate, Laz? Not entirely. Laz, how about Miranda? You against it? No. What's THAT got to do with this? You got a kitchen sink back there you're ready to throw at me too? Do you think the Supremes were wrong in saying that it is juries, not judges, who should decide on death or life, Laz? Either way. I don't care. Is that OK?

To: E who wrote (15660)	6/26/2002 8:46:18 PM
From: Original Mad Dog	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

Let's not pretend it's a lottery. The vast majority of the people on death row or who have been executed actually committed murder. That gave them an edge on you and I and maybe even Laz, who couldn't win the "lottery" since we didn't kill anybody. I think that if we are going to have the DP, we should reserve it for cases where there can be no possible doubt (as you have suggested, DNA but not eyewitness evidence, for example). It bothers me that our justice system and media make heroes out of prosecutors who get convictions. This raises the likelihood of wrongful convictions, and when you fry 'em in a vat there's no turning back.