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Politics : The Palestinian Hoax -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Cogito who wrote (120)	6/27/2002 11:18:38 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

Hi Allen, Excellent question... This is not a case of white settlers running American Indians off their land, these "Palestinians" were never from Palestine even when Israel was called Palestine at the time... this is the Palestinian hoax... What you say would be true if the "Palestinians" were chased out off that land, but they weren't, they never came from there, they came from Jordan and Egypt, even Arafart himself is Egyptian, born in Cairo, they have no legitimate claim to Israel's land... how come Jordan and Egypt don't take them back? That's where they should have their State... they merely want to take over what other people have built than to take responsibility for themselves... calling themselves Palestinian doesn't mean they came from Palestine, they didn't, it's a conjured up name... that's the main point here..... GZ

To: Cogito who wrote (120)	6/28/2002 12:12:10 AM
From: The Ox	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 3467

Ask the British how they felt about the Jewish freedom fighters in Palestine during the 1940s and they could/would have easily used the term "terrorists" to describe some of the tactics used at that time. The elementary issue is can today's Palestinians come to grips with the fact that the nation of Israel is here to stay? And just as importantly, can the neighboring Arab nations truly come to grips with the fact that the nation of Israel is here to stay? This country will not be driven into the sea, as many fanatics still insist must happen. As far as intrinsic rights to exist, every person involved in this conflict should be accorded this same right. What's needed is for both sides to recognize this issue. A new maturity level needs to be reached. The constant eye for an eye, cycle of retaliation must cease. Understanding must be acceptable to both sides. Issues of land rights, displaced persons and immigration must be part of process. Israel must immediately stop building in any occupied territory. STOP. PERIOD. The same can be said for Palestinian bombings. It must stop. Period. Immediately. You have rightfully pointed out: The terrorist are the enemies of most Palestinians as much as they are enemies of Israel. In my opinion, Israel should understand that they may have to grant substantial land for peace. Borders need to be drawn, compensation from both sides needs to be appropriately addressed. Both sides will have to deal with displacing parts of their population for ONE FINAL TIME. It's the only way this thing can end. Check points need to be moved, towns may need to be relocated, borders must be drawn. At some point, both sides have to start by accepting the other's intrinsic right to exist and get on with the details.

To: Cogito who wrote (120)	6/28/2002 12:13:45 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3467

Hello Allen: A very good unbiased post. I have established a World Affairs thread. Feel free to post there. That thread has nothing to do with any hoax. Pure and simple exchange of views and thought without the fear of personal insults or ridicule. Subject 53095

To: Cogito who wrote (120)	6/28/2002 8:47:39 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

Allen. You said..." Another way to look at it is that there was never a country called Israel until 1948. As you yourself said, it was called Palestine for 2000 years. That's where the term "Palestinian" comes from. It refers to people who live in or are from Palestine."..... Check out history just a bit and you will learn that the state of Israel existed in the same place as it is today for 2000 years before the birth of Christ. Also the word palestine did not come into use until about 100 years after the death of Christ and this is the time period when the State of Israel was invaded by Egypt and to add insult to injury Egypt renamed the state of Israel palestine. The word palestine was derived from the word Philistine which was a small country on the coast. The Philistines were long standing enemies of Israel and if you look at a map of that area where you see Gaza is the same area that was known as philistine thousands of years ago. Lorne