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To: Voltaire who wrote (53344)6/28/2002 11:14:34 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 65232
 
Sounds like work to me :-
My dad had the same bug you have.
He had what I still call the botanical
gardens. It was a lot of work for me....
but done with love :-)

I have two bushes of unknown genus that
are kept in what I call the Charlie Brown
condition (I.E. 'many moon come chakta'
since it's seen a clipper). We do have
two bushes of known genus (hell if I
know which one ;-) They are regularly
trimmed every three or four years,
whether they need it or not :-o

Fear not, all but one are well hidden
from public view so they aren't causing
much tittering from nattering nabobs :-I'm going to break down & trim that one
real soon FWIW.

Even though we have dramatic differences
in how we choose to spend a great deal of
effort & of time, I'm glad we can still
remain cyber-buddies.

I guess it's obvious that I'm making a
lame attempt to try to get a couple of
'ole pals to agree to disagree & perhaps
get them to debate their differences &
not let it get personal. It wasn't that
long ago that this thread had some great
debates along with lots of freindly chatter.

Sure would be nice to see it happen again.

Yer fren,

Don Key Hoe Tee Ö¿Ö



To: Voltaire who wrote (53344)6/28/2002 11:49:42 PM
From: SOROS  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
You're concerned? All of my flowers are gold, and with every crooked banker, politician, CEO, broker, analyst, and TV commentator doing all in their power to wilt my flowers, it has been a trying week. Why, I almost feel like a tech investor!

Seriously, one of the reasons I bought gold was I felt like it was the right thing to do. Of course, "right" does not always make "rich". Still, how can you deny that most of the market run-up of the 1990's was accomplished through fraud and corruption? Clinton made it so easy to justify this type of behavior.

I also find it incredulous that you could think these few companies (WCOM, XRX, IMCLONE, TYCO) are not simply the tip of the iceberg, and that what shows up in public is certainly not the worst of the graft even in these companies that have been caught.

I did not see the movie Liar Liar, but I think the premise was a guy who was struck with a spell which made it impossible for him to lie. I'd love to see this happen for just a few minutes on CNBC. Not that it would matter to most people. The CEO's could come right out and say, "We are crooks, but stick with us, and we will make you money", and most people today would at least ignore the truth in order to make money. "It's the economy, stupid!" -- the standard reply in the 1990's when anyone dared to critisize Clinton and the direction of the country and its morals. I will not do that any more. I have put my money in gold to make a statement. Call me a fool, because most of the investment world already does. But that world is almost 100% corrupt. I believe that corruption does eventually get payback. I don't want to own a part of that corruption when it happens. You may buy a company because it is a "value", but I will not when it is shown to be run by crooks. If it was fraud and theft, they deserve to go bankrupt. It's a shame for the innocent caught in the web, but it would be another crime to give them another chance to steal again. I happen to think that most public companies (especially tech) have taken part in the corruption of the 1990's. The pressure was too great. The riches were too fast and easy. Everyone sold their souls for options.

May they all choke on their gluttony of debt and theft.

I remain,

SOROS



To: Voltaire who wrote (53344)6/30/2002 7:31:49 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Now, here's a value investor who likes, get this, CIEN and RBAK...

brill.com

Jerome Dodson
Parnassus Fund
by Marla Brill
MFI Publisher

Dodson Moves In

In late August of last year, Parnassus Fund’s huge cash allocation—at 62 percent of assets, over ten times the industry average--reflected manager Jerome Dodson’s concerns about high stock market valuations and a souring economy. As it turns out, this dash of conservatism paid off after the terrorist attacks of September 11 sent stocks tumbling. By the time the year had drawn to a close, the fund gained 7.84, compared to a loss of 11.89 percent for the S&P 500 Index.

"Some of the fund’s strong performance for the year was because of good stock-picking," says Dodson. "But much of it was because we had about half our assets in cash for most of the year."

Normally, mutual funds keep their cash positions well below 10 percent with the idea that shareholders pay stock fund managers to invest in stocks, not warm the bench. Until a couple of years ago, Dodson did that, too.

"There were two previous times in the fund’s history, in 1987 and in 1990, when I thought the market was greatly overvalued. But I didn’t have the confidence to act on that belief. And both years, I lived to regret it." By the time 2000 rolled around, his belief that the market was ripe for a tumble finally prompted him to move on his conviction and take some money off the table.

The main downside of a high cash stake, of course, is that a fund risks getting left behind if the market takes off. "I think that risk is outweighed by the reduction in risk you get when stocks are overvalued," says Dodson. "And at current levels, I don’t see much upside for stocks anyway."

For the rest of 2002, he predicts, "Either one of two things will happen. There could be a sharp correction that will pull valuations in line with business prospects. Or, we’ll just see minimal, single digit market gains. I don’t have too many concerns about the market running away from us."

And what about the potential fallout from financial advisors, whose asset allocation strategies come unwound when a fund moves into cash? "I’ve had a couple of advisors bring up that point," says Dodson. "But for most of our shareholders, the main priority is getting a good return."

Betting on Telecom

Dodson points out that while a heavy cash position certainly helped the fund last year, it was not the only factor behind its strong performance. Almost 6 percent of the fund’s nearly 8 percent gain came from the equity side of the portfolio. Big winners included PETsMART, up 242 percent for the year, and chip maker Adaptec, up 96 percent. "There wasn’t any one sector that led the market," he says. "It was more like a retailer here, a tech name there."

Today, Parnassus Fund’s cash position is down to about 30 percent of assets. After the stock market re-opened in late September, market levels were so low that Dodson used his cash stake to buy stocks at what he considered bargain levels.

Many of these stocks, which remain in the portfolio today, are in the battered telecommunications sector. "Telecom the only area of the market that’s still selling at bargain levels, yet has the potential for growth. Every other industry with growth potential is fully valued."

Dodson won’t buy a stock unless it’s selling below its five-year average for measures such as price/earnings, price/book, and price/sales. A stock’s price/earnings ratio must also be no higher than the company’s projected earnings growth rate over the next year.

He also looks at a company’s intrinsic value, which he bases on its future cash flows. He will only buy a stock when it is selling at two-thirds or less of what he considers its intrinsic worth.

The strategy often lands his picks squarely in the "fallen angel" camp—an inevitable result, he says, from shopping for growth stocks trading at value prices. "A lot of times our stocks will go down for awhile before they go up," he says. "No one rings a bell at the bottom."

If there were such a bell, it would certainly not be ringing yet for the fund’s telecommunications stocks, which have fallen about 7 percent so far this year. The drop in the sector is the main reason that the fund was down 5.14 percent in 2002 as of mid-April, compared to a drop of 1.59 percent for the S&P 500 Index.

Dodson attributes the downturn to continued cutbacks in capital spending by long-distance telephone carriers, which directly affect many of the telecommunications equipment companies in the portfolio. While the downturn has lasted longer than Dodson thought it would, he believes that an improvement in orders will help the stocks make a comeback by the end of the year.

Parnassus’s telecommunications plays, like the rest of the fund, represent a mix of small, mid-sized, and larger companies. His largest holding, Ciena, maintains a 60 percent share of the optical switching market. The stock, priced in the high sixties a year ago, has collapsed to about $9 a share. Dodson figures the stock will rise to $16 within the next twelve to eighteen months. The fund’s second largest holding, Redback, is a small telecommunications equipment maker whose stock has fallen to less than $3 a share, down from over $25 a share a year ago. Dodson calculates its intrinsic value at around $15 a share.



To: Voltaire who wrote (53344)7/6/2002 2:03:16 AM
From: abuelita  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
tom

the renovations you made sound great -
hostas would look fantastic in your
garden.

i've got a whole lot as well - i think
they're beautiful but, unfortunately,
so do the slugs. don't know if you get
many slugs (the garden variety) down your
way or not, but sometimes i think - that
they think - the sole purpose of my garden
is to feed them. by the end of the summer
the hostas are pretty "holie".

i'm thinking i might renovate a bit next
year too - maybe plant a rose garden.
we'll see.

rose



To: Voltaire who wrote (53344)7/8/2002 6:49:02 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
So you haven't sold yet

Long-term investors are facing tough choices: Sell low or face more punishing losses.
July 5, 2002: 11:26 AM EDT
By Martine Costello, CNN/Money Staff Writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Here's the bitter truth about this market. Back in March 2000, your 100 shares of Cisco Systems were worth about $7,700. Today, just $1,250.

Your 100 shares of Lucent that had you feeling flush a couple of years ago would today fetch you about $150.

Sure, you thought about selling in the past two years, but the price always seemed too low. Then stocks fell more. And more. You watched your money evaporate before your eyes. Now, you're a lot poorer, and wondering if you should give up on the market and throw whatever you have left into an index fund.

"It's a tough call," said Deb Neiman, a certified financial planner from Wakefield, Mass. "It's hard to know when to pull the plug."

Fish or cut bait?
Part of the problem is that it's hard to tell a lousy stock that you shouldn't have bought in the first place from a quality stock that is just suffering with everything else.

It's an easy choice if you own a dot.com that is struggling to stay afloat -- just sell and be done with it. And most planners suggest getting out of stocks plagued by scandals. There's just too much risk for a small investor. Neiman recently advised her clients to sell Xerox and Tyco, both of which have come under fire recently for accounting issues.

But most cases aren't so easy. What about Cisco? Or GE? Or Merck? They're all down more than 50 percent.

If your stocks have a solid history on Wall Street, with dependable cash flow and strong earnings growth, then consider hanging on, said Rick Applegate, a certified financial planner from Allison Park, Pa.

While it might seem like it's time to rush into money market funds, the tenets of long-term investing haven't changed. If you buy solid stocks and hold them for a long time, you'll make money. An investor who has stayed in the market for at least 15 years has never lost money, according to research by Ibbotson Associates. (Click here for more on thinking long-term and other bear-market survival strategies.)

A company such as GE might be trading near its 52-week low, but it is well diversified with its business units and has money "coming in the door," Applegate said. In technology, the keepers should be the leaders in their sectors, whether it's software or chips. That might mean you hold onto Cisco, even if you will wait longer than you expected for technology to wake up.

Ditto for IBM. The stock traded as high as $130 in 1999 but is now trading around $70. But Mari Adam, a certified financial planner in Boca Raton, Fla., said she has clients -- a couple -- who are sticking with Big Blue.

Whatever you decide, make sure emotion isn't getting in the way. I bought the stock at $100 and now it's at $5 and I'm just going to hold on. "You can hold it till your purple, and you're not going to get back to the top of the bubble," Applegate said.

So forget about trying to get back to even -- that's not the point. Your job is to accept the fact that you made a mistake and then evaluate and move on. "Be ruthless," Neiman said. "Ask yourself: Is this a good investment going forward?" If you're not sure, you can always put your money in a mutual fund and stop worrying about whether you're right or wrong.

Once you decide to sell
If you have a loss, at least you can take some comfort in the potential tax break, using losses to offset gains. But the problem these days is that a lot of people don't have any gains. If that's the case, you can use losses to offset up to $3,000 in ordinary income.

If you still have a loss left over after that, you can "carry forward" $3,000 of the loss every year until it's used up. (Neiman has a client who is down by $30,000 in 2002, which gives him 10 years to take advantage of the carry-forward rule.)

money.cnn.com