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To: Constant Reader who wrote (16021)	6/29/2002 5:32:48 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

BTW, your English is fine and you know it and I know it. The statement is right there in your post Karen: "an official understanding of God" is a direct quote from it. If you didn't mean it, why post it as if you did? I hate this ^#$%! search facility. I can't find exactly what I'm looking for but this was my first mention of the subject and it's been my hobbyhorse ever since. To:Lazarus Long who wrote (15866) From: kholt Friday, Jun 28, 2002 6:21 PM View Replies (1) \| Respond to of 16027 I've been reading quite a bit about ceremonial deism in the last day. I must say that I had never recognized that notion before although I see that the courts have long spoken of it. I'm quite content with ceremonial deism if our political and cultural leaders demonstrate some consensus on that interpretation. I find that a satisfactory resolution of this particular culture war. What I proposed was that the Prez say something conciliatory about this matter. In the course of that he would recognize ceremonial deism as one of the ways different citizens might interpret the word, God, in that context and make some kind of statement that it's OK if we don't all think of the same thing when we say "under God." We have religious freedom, after all. When I said "official understanding of God," that's what I was referring to, some statement from some cultural icon that says the ceremonial deism, a term that comes to us from the liberal Christians, is part of the panoply of American deity. Bush did that after 9/11. He settled people down by saying it was OK to be Muslim. I thought it might be nice to say it's OK for some of us to consider the God we're "under" to be a ceremonial one. I thought that might make the atheists more comfortable, give them a way of looking at the phrase that isn't so alien, and disabuse those who find atheists hateful. I see no benefit in the rest of us pretending that you aren't out on the fringe on this point. No one has yet directly addressed that except Michael who said it was political suicide by hasn't said why. I fail what is so fringy about that and, if no one tells me, I will never know.