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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (15656)	6/30/2002 9:25:45 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

The problem is that whenever Arafat tries to come closer to the peace proposals that reflect the interests of his people, Israel, using military force and diplomacy, backs off. That about sums it up. Right on cue, when Arafat endorses the terms discussed at Taba in December 2000, Israel and the U.S. immediately pronounce that he must go. Tom

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (15656)	6/30/2002 10:17:41 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

Israel is at war. Verbally finessing its state of affairs into anything else is irresponsible and deadly, and it is time for an across the board reckoning, on the part of liberals in particular, as to where we should stand on the Jewish state. pbs.org The first to (rightly) criticize right-wing religious extremism in the United States, their attitude toward the Arab world becomes quizzically elitist, even condescending: "Oh, well, the problem is we really don't understand Arab culture." What's to understand? Plenty of Arabs, here and abroad, live in peace and compassion toward fellow man. But there is a cancerous reign of hatred afflicting Mideastern Arabs, and Arafat has demonstrated a brazen unwillingness to stem the tide. Let's put our cards on the table. I don't profess to know the difference between good and evil, but there is basic compassion and love, and then there is the kind of poisonous nihilistic zealotry that leads men to strap explosives to themselves and murder innocents. A culture that actually consists of the formulation and approval of the latter is worth neither protection nor advocacy.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (15656)	7/1/2002 12:20:54 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

For the first time ever, a superpower is demanding the ousting of a democratically elected leader....nobody has the right to dispose him accept [sic] the Palestinian people who had elected him in the first place. So, democracy legitimizes governments, hmmm? Where does that leave the theocratic dictatorship of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, exactly? These guys don't lack for brass, I'll say that. One senses their discomfort with their own argument, ...international law, which gives protection to countries. If the US thinks that Arafat’s government is a dictatorship then this is not an excuse as they are many other such governments in the region. Ah, well, Arafat doesn't exactly have a country, does he? It's more like he wants the US to force Israel to give him a country. But the notion that American favor could ever depend on Arab behavior is not very comforting to Saudi Arabia at this moment, I bet.