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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (12848)	7/1/2002 4:54:38 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Third Difficulty How can Jesus Christ be called "son of David", if the Blessed Virgin is not a daughter of David? (a) If by virtue of Joseph's marriage with Mary, Jesus could be called the son of Joseph, he can for the same reason be called "son of David" (St. Augustine, On the Harmony of the Gospels, II, i, 2). (b) Tradition tells us that Mary too was a descendant of David. According to Numbers 36:6-12, an only daughter had to marry within her own family so as to secure the right of inheritance. After St. Justin (Adv. Tryph. 100) and St. Ignatius (Letter to the Ephesians 18), the Fathers generally agree in maintaining Mary's Davidic descent, whether they knew this from an oral tradition or inferred it from Scripture, e.g. Romans 1:3; II Timothy 2:8. St. John Damascene (De fid. Orth., IV, 14) states that Mary's great-grandfather, Panther, was a brother of Mathat; her grandfather, Barpanther, was Heli's cousin; and her father, Joachim, was a cousin of Joseph, Heli's levirate son. Here Mathat has been substituted for Melchi, since the text used by St. John Damascene, Julius Africanus, St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, and St. Gregory of Nazianus omitted the two generations separating Heli from Melchi. At any rate, tradition presents the Blessed Virgin as descending from David through Nathan. newadvent.org

To: Solon who wrote (12848)	7/7/2002 11:47:04 PM
From: GTC Trader	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

<< Then where did the sperm come from which fertilized Mary's egg? The egg had to have been fertilized. The default anatomy of an embryo is female. Only the Y chromosome can switch this. >> The God of the Bible is a God of miracles. The miracle of the virgin birth was hinted at in Genesis 3:15 immediately after the fall when God told Satan that the Seed of the woman would bruise his head, and was prophesied more clearly in Isaiah 7:14 where it was directly stated that the Lord Himself would give a sign: "the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son". Certainly it would require a miracle for a virgin to conceive and give birth, but you are very correct that it would take a greater miracle for that child to be male. The God of the Bible spoke and created time, space, and matter. He created all life, including plants, animals, and man. God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Genesis 2:7) As I referred to in my last post, God created Adam's Y chromosomes from the dust of the ground, so He is perfectly capable of creating a Y chromosome in the womb of Mary. Two similar examples come to mind from Moses' dealings with the Pharaoh of Egypt. In Exodus 7:10, Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and it became a serpent. Where did the serpent DNA come from? It was a miracle of God. God was demonstrating to Pharaoh that Moses and Aaron were representing Him by acting miraculously through them. In Exodus 8:17, Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod and struck the dust of the earth, and it became lice on man and beast. Where did the lice DNA come from? God created it from the dust. God is not bound by the laws of His creation but instead is superior in all ways to the creation. Jesus demonstrated this through His countless miracles, including rebuking the storm and causing it to cease (Matthew 8:27) and turning about 150 gallons of water into wine (John 2:2-11). << As well, only sperm could provide a tribal lineage for Jesus. Jesus could not have a tribal lineage if Mary was gotten pregnant by sperm from the Holy Ghost. >> Matthew, writing to a Jewish audience, gives the lineage of Jesus through His adopted father, Joseph. This is His legal lineage. Luke, being a physician, writing to the Greeks, gives Mary's lineage. Both Mary and Joseph were in the lineage of King David, so Jesus, the eternal God and Creator of the universe, was born as a Baby with both the legal and physical lineage of King David. Ken