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To: Donald Wennerstrom who wrote (3776)7/1/2002 9:33:25 PM
From: Return to Sender  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 95584
 
Interesting question. You won't like the answer because it is not clear cut at all on OCT 8. Here is some of the headlines from the NY Times from October 8, 9, and the 10, 1998:

October 8, 1998: Nikkei Soars After Japan Edges Closer to a Bank Bailout

October 8, 1998, Thursday
THE MARKETS: STOCKS; Price Plunge On Nasdaq Hits 15-Month Low

By ROBERT D. HERSHEY Jr. (NYT) 1111 words
Late Edition - Final, Section C, Page 1, Column 5
ABSTRACT - Prices on Nasdaq stock market decline to their lowest level in 15 months, and have fallen 17.25 percent in just the last eight days of trading; other market gauges also continue to slump; Nasdaq stocks fall 48.28 points to 1,462.71; Standard & Poor's 500-stock index loses 13.91, to close at 970.68; Dow Jones industrial average closes with loss of 1.29 points at 7,741.69; charts (M)

October 9, 1998, Friday
THE MARKETS: Market Place -- Growling, but for How Long?; Assessing the Fallout From a Season of Lower Earnings

By JONATHAN FUERBRINGER (NYT) 1390 words
Late Edition - Final, Section C, Page 1, Column 2
ABSTRACT - As reporting season for corporate earnings begins, Wall Street analysts seem to agree that profits will decline a few percentage points in third quarter, ending almost seven-year run of intoxicating profit gains; even if earnings growth resumes next year, big question looms as to whether that will be enough to put stock market back on track; investors are becoming increasingly pessimistic, and tuning out those strategists who continue to sing even a mildly positive tune; charts compare fall in Dow Industrial and S&P 500 indexes with far more pronounced drop of Russell 2000 and Nasdaq indexes over past year; photo (Market Place column) (M)

October 9, 1998, Friday
THE MARKETS; A Volatile Day Turns Wall St. To Uneasy St.

By EDWARD WYATT (NYT) 1495 words
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 1, Column 2
ABSTRACT - Wall Street remains uneasy, with bond market dropping and prices of hundreds of stocks plunging, even as main stock market shows minimal losses; value of dollar falls further; Dow Jones industrial average finishes day a mere 9.78 points lower, at 7,731.91; but beneath that relatively calm result is day of turmoil during which Dow fell as much as 274 points before climbing back; Nasdaq composite index drops 43.49 points, or nearly 3 percent, to 1,419.12--its lowest closing price in 16 months (M)

October 9, 1998, Friday
THE MARKETS: STOCKS; Fears of a Spreading Recession Send Markets Tumbling

By ROBERT D. HERSHEY Jr. (NYT) 846 words
Late Edition - Final, Section C, Page 6, Column 3
ABSTRACT - Stock prices tumble around world in emotional and often panicky trading; Dow Jones average drops 9.78 to 7,731.91, after having fallen 274.20 at midday; charts (M)

October 9, 1998, Friday
Japanese Index Falls 800 Points

( Bloomberg News ) 189 words
Late Edition - Final, Section C, Page 6, Column 1
ABSTRACT - Nikkei index of 225 stocks falls 799.55 points, or 5.8 percent, to 13,026.06, its sharpest decline since August 1991 (S)

October 10, 1998, Saturday
THE MARKETS: STOCKS; Dow and Nasdaq Rally to End Turbulent Week on Wall Street

By JONATHAN FUERBRINGER (NYT) 1117 words
Late Edition - Final, Section C, Page 1, Column 2
ABSTRACT - Dow Jones industrial average rises 167.61 points, to 7,899.52, finishing week up almost 115 points, or 1.5 percent; Standard & Poor's 500-stock index rises 24.95 points, or 2.6 percent, to 984.39, down 1.8 percent for the week; Nasdaq index jumps 73.37 points, to 1,492.49; US dollar plunges 13.8 percent against Japanese yen, its biggest decline in 27 years; yield on 30-year bond, after falling to 31-year low of 4.72 percent on Oct 5, hammers bonds by surging back to 5.12 percent; graph on Dow Jones industrial average; charts on stocks with large percentage gains and losses and US key interest rates (M)

query.nytimes.com

Don, it seems to me that nothing but fear and extreme volatility points out the bottom.

Was it even clear on that Friday that the bottom was in? It should have been if investors were aware of the VIX. I was not at that time.

The value of the dollar was falling then too.

RtS



To: Donald Wennerstrom who wrote (3776)7/1/2002 10:29:01 PM
From: Gottfried  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95584
 
Don, I don't know what caused the turn from Oct 8.1998 but the chart of AMAT is interesting because it shows a double dip. stockcharts.com[w,a]dhclyiay[d19980701,19981201][pb50!b200!d20,2!f][vc60][iUb14!Uk7!Ul14!Ud20!Lc20!Lp14,3,3!Lf!Lah12,26,9]&pref=G

The ascend from the second dip was rapid.

Here's Nas for the same period stockcharts.com[w,a]dhclyiay[d19980701,19981201][pb50!b200!d20,2!f][vc60][iUb14!Uk7!Ul14!Ud20!Lc20!Lp14,3,3!Lf!Lah12,26,9]&pref=G

and here's today for Nas stockcharts.com[w,a]dhclyiay[d20020101,20020701][pb50!b200!d20,2!f][vc60][iUb14!Uk7!Ul14!Ud20!Lc20!Lp14,3,3!Lf!Lah12,26,9]&pref=G

A year ago when I thought recovery was imminent I also assumed the Market had accepted higher valuations for our favorites. Now it seems the Market may have changed the rules. That's a concern.

Gottfried



To: Donald Wennerstrom who wrote (3776)7/2/2002 5:58:02 AM
From: robert b furman  Respond to of 95584
 
Hi Don,

October 98 is the most vicious example of a double bottom in price:

Re: Cohu
October 8:

14.14,14.64,12.76,13.50,vol = 139,300

October 16:
12.64,14.00,12.00,13.50,vol = 112100

Note the huge intraday price swings correlates well with the vix spike.

Many of the stocks in this sector are dropping down to a long term trend line that connects Oct 8,1998 with Sept 21,00 and now.

It seems that the sector is still on an uptrend - when taking the very long term view.

These stocks individually bottom out as the last substantial holder either panics or get forced out - so Cohu being a low on the 16 was a week later than Nvls.

Nvls :10/08/98
21.50,22.37,20,87,21.95 volume = 1,223,600

10/16/98:
33.45,33.75,31.62,32.07 volume = 1,058,800

So by the time Cohu bottomed Nvls was showing great leadership.

As I recall big caps were king.Intel actually bottomed the June before.

So far in this market small to Mid caps are showing strength:
siliconinvestor.com

But in the semi equip stocks big is still better on a percentage basis:
siliconinvestor.com

This market also reminds me of October1998.

October 1998 was the result of a failed market rally that ran from January 98 thru Feb 98.This failed Rally occurred after a pretty good run up from April 97 thru Oct 97 nice bull move.

The current market is a bear market after two failed Rallies Post the huge run up in Feb Mar 2000.It is a major market bottom after having sector bounces in October of 2000 April 2001 and Sept 2001.

The time duration ( I think, may well be our saving grace).

We are at a long term uptrend confluence after having three major low points in price and 20 months have expired from the October 18 lows(Cohu @ 12.58ish).

As G has so well documented the equipment shipping cycle has rejuvenated itself,The world has once again found more new uses for an unsatiable appetitte for IC's see G's WW Semi shipments.

Once again the investment community questions wether this turn around is valid and stable- The real question is: Is our future continuing to embrace the use of more chips - the answer again is YES.

The time once again has come for us TO KNOW WHAT WE KNOW.

Global manufacturers MUST embrace technology to be efficient.Yesterday, lost in the clutter was 3M's excellent earnings.Thus company 2 years ago was pathetic.Since then an new CEO Mcinerny (from GE) took over, installed web-based internet applications - cut costs and has made a great turn around - very similar to GE and GM.Old tech embracing new tech and productivity gains abound.

This IS the story of our global leading recovery - just about to be announced in earnings announcements.Made in and started in USA. Also available for cash from the USA.The fact that our dollar being weak - makes it more affordable to those who really need it - a good thing - quite contrary to the markets News Noise.JMHO

The long trend line connecting major bottoms will be charted and confirmed.

We are not thru the woods yey but we are very close.

siliconinvestor.com.

Note:

1)ADX is higher than its been since the crash of 2000 and the bottom of 98- may have more to go +DI has not turned up yet - let alone crossed over -DI
2)Macd must start to get less negative and then go positive -like it did in 98 - but its dips are certainly less severe and shorter than latter 2000
3) Stochastics says we've got some sideways wallering to do- just like Oct of 98,October of 00 and Sept of 01
4)Momentum suggests we could actually have a bull market in the future rather than a Rally to neutral and a failure.

After the wonderful run up of 2000 - we need sideways consolidation and long term growth /base building.

Tito's stairstep construction ,with each step higher and taking longer to build.

But we also have the potential of a higher low holding and that is hugely better than lower lows.

Intel is going back to it June 98 low (16.00's)- it lead the whole way far in front of semi equip stocks in 98.It bottomed in June instead of October,1998.

I think we get a pop with earnings next week - but we must prove profitability and I expect that will occur with Q3's earnings in a more substantial way.The next 90 days will be the time needed for Macd to roll up and Stochastics to false start and give time for -DI to break down as +DI pops up.

I think the downtrend will go sideways very soon.Watching Intc as always - Then Amat,Klac,Nvls etc.

Sorry for the length - but you asked for it.gg

Bob