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To: sylvester80 who wrote (1237)7/2/2002 10:28:20 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Is it time to invest in 'outstanding companies' and forget the averages...??

Message 17687961



To: sylvester80 who wrote (1237)7/2/2002 10:35:04 PM
From: t2  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 89467
 
"It looks like the individual investor is going to stay on the sidelines here," says Yardeni. "Same for institutional investors. And foreign investors are just dumping stocks. When you try to figure who is going to buy here, it's hard."

Syl, This time it is different. There is no support underneath market. To me it is partly American policy that can considered a reason for foreign dumping of stocks. Apart from the usual Naz/dollar bubble/deficits/trade imbalances/crisis in confidence etc.., here is a few others that are are critical for the longer term:

-Trade barriers being put up is the first example. Created a big stir worldwide.

-Security is the big concern. Getting the best people from around the world as immigrants is not possible anymore. There are too many restrictions that are easy to understand but will hurt the economy over the longer term.
-The businessmen from the around the world will no longer see America as the land of opportunity. People of color (other than black or white) will see dangers of a backlash against if there is some other terrorist attack.
-on the other hand, there a few countries that are now opening up..germany for example is trying get high tech workers from around the globe. So now there is more competition for the smartest people on the globe and given the current US climate, they may opt for European countries.

-middle eastern people that held most of their wealth in the US will want to bail out as quick as possible. Even if the US market is undervalued, the risk of having their assets frozen will scare them away; it is better to lose 20% in another stock market than risking losing everything.
Of course, people from this region will develop all kinds of conspiracy theories about the US trying to seize Arab wealth.
There are just too many headlines about frozen assets that if the government makes the smallest connection, say good bye to your wealth.

-next the Europeans. They seem to view the US in a different light now. Policies of holding people prisoners without a fair trial is not acceptable to the European socialist world. To not call the detainees as prisoners of war is also a problem. So now they no longer see the Americans as the people of high moral standards in comparison to themselves.<g>
The issues of capital punishment also sets the cultures apart. Executions are much more common in third world countries. I don't believe any developed European country allows it.
-there seems to be differences in Israel/Palestinian issues.

I am not saying that many of the Euro issues are new; just that there may be even more resentment of Americans.
They will thinking how a country with such lower moral standards be the superpower of the world.

They are going to after the strongest American company, Microsoft...until they are weakened so much that a European alternative finally emerges. (well we have the DOJ/States to thank for that). The real EU actions against Microsoft are sometime in the future.

OK..I won't start on the Chinese. <g>
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All this and also the more obvious reasons will hurt the US economy in the longer term.

I think the global investors see it as well. That is why the market can be in much more trouble than most believe. 12% foreign ownership of US stocks is a lot.

(sorry about the disorganized post--I am sure I missed a bunch of obvious points too)

btw--Also this is just my observation and also my gut feeling on what is happening out there. I am NOT saying that US policy is unnecessary..just that there are longer term consequences for the markets/economy.



To: sylvester80 who wrote (1237)7/2/2002 10:52:12 PM
From: SOROS  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
It only "works" if you have honest figures. You have FRAUD now. Probably FRAUD for the past 12 years. At least FRAUD for 5 years. FRAUD. FRAUD. FRAUD. The wallstreet house of cards is built on FRAUD. Why is this concept so hard to swallow? Read below for what I think of the Fed.

Maestro: Greenspan's Fed and the American Boom

Format: Hardcover, 270pp.
ISBN: 0743204123
Publisher: Simon & Schuster
Pub. Date: November 2000

Here are my favorite quotes from reviews. Remember, this is November, 2000.

"The book's tentative working title was Boom, and the book focuses on how Greenspan engineered the great U.S. economic resurgence of the 1990s." SOROS Note -- "Boom" -- great word in retrospect! A deep, HOLLOW, resonant sound.

"After the 1987 market crash, for example, he authorized the Fed to act as a guarantor on private-sector loans to avert a string of potentially disastrous defaults. He also encouraged Treasury Secretary Rubin to use U.S. funds to bail out the troubled Mexican government in 1995. And when the effects of the Asian collapse hit U.S. markets, he actively supported the bail-out of a major hedge fund, lest its collapse cause a general market crash. Each of these controversial actions had its detractors, but one of the strongest themes of Woodward's book is Greenspan's commitment to his convictions even in the face of opposition. And time has proven that Greenspan's convictions are usually right." SOROS Note -- Borrow, bail. Bail, borrow. #1 rule is "never hurt the stock market". Live for today. Clinton philosophy. Time has proven that his agenda is now collapsing around him.

"Maestro traces a fascinating intellectual journey as Greenspan, an old-school anti-inflation hawk of the traditional economy, is among the first to realize the potential in the modern, high-productivity new economy — the foundation of the current American boom. Woodward's account of the Greenspan years is a remarkable portrait of a man who has become the symbol of American economic preeminence." SOROS Note -- Symbol of New Economy Stock Scam

"In Maestro: Alan Greenspan's Fed and the American Economic Boom, what comes across most clearly is Greenspan's skill at the political power games that determine who survives in the cutthroat world of Washington." SOROS Note -- The truth of why Greenspasm made the decisions he made in the 1990's!

"The author describes how the Fed chief forged close ties with Bill Clinton" SOROS Note -- NO KIDDING!!!!! His New Economy work is Clinton's New Economy dream. Keep your perks and screw the country.

"Either Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan has had an amazingly long run of remarkably good luck, or he knows what he's doing and really is what most observers believe him to be, the maestro of the rock-solid prospering American economy." SOROS Note -- I can't write a comment because I am choking!

"Woodward's remarkable insight is apparent at the end of the book, though, as he poses the question of when the boom will end, and what unforseen momentous event will bring this end." SOROS Note -- It's called FRAUD!

"It is clear that after reading this book Greenspan and President Clinton coordinated together to help bring about the economic boom in the U.S., which started in earnest back in 1993 and reached a peak between 1997-2000." SOROS Note -- I have to agree that Clinton and Greenspan are greatly responsible for the fraud, manipulation, selfishness, greed, lies, and downfall of the economy.

I remain,

SOROS



To: sylvester80 who wrote (1237)7/2/2002 11:40:13 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Here's an interesting post...

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*read the link in it too...It seems like the mainstream media may not have really done their homework in 2000.

public-i.org



To: sylvester80 who wrote (1237)7/3/2002 1:37:14 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Fed official: Consumers OK

New York bank chief tells Poles that accounting scandals, terror fears don't daunt Americans.

July 2, 2002: 7:37 AM EDT

WARSAW, Poland (Reuters) - The wave of accounting scandals hitting corporate America and fears of new Sept. 11-style terrorist attacks have not hit the willingness of U.S. consumers to spend, a U.S. central banker said Tuesday.

The comments by New York Federal Reserve President William McDonough marked the first statement by a top U.S. monetary policy maker on the $3.8 billion accounting scandal at WorldCom Inc., the No. 2 U.S. long-distance phone company.

"Consumer spending stays quite high, especially in autos and housing, and there are no data that would suggest that these accounting scandals and terrorist threats affect consumer spending. But it is clearly a risk," McDonough told reporters on a visit to Warsaw.

"The risk to economic forecasts is: Could consumers become more cautious? Probably not. And could business fixed investment stay weak? Probably not. But it is a slightly greater risk," he added.

The unfolding WorldCom scandal, which came after the company admitted inflating profits by misreporting spending as capital investment, has smashed confidence in U.S. stock markets.

The technology-dominated Nasdaq slumped by 4 percent Monday to a five-year low. Shares in WorldCom are now virtually worthless and analysts say bankruptcy may be imminent after lenders put it in default on $4.25 billion in credit lines.

But McDonough's reassuring comments suggested that the damage to the net wealth of American consumers caused by the stock market selloff would not have a significant, wider impact on growth in the world's largest economy.

His comments came after data last week showed U.S. consumer sentiment suffered its biggest one-month drop in June since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Warnings by Washington of fresh attacks by the Islamic militants of the Al-Qaeda network behind the suicide plane attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon have rarely been out of the headlines.

But other figures show that retail activity remains strong in car showrooms and shopping malls across the United States, leading analysts to forecast continued recovery.

McDonough said the so-call "blue-chip" forecast put together by leading private sector economists appeared reasonable.

The group sees the U.S. economy growing by four percent this year, and by 3-3.5 percent in the second half, with growth slowing to 3.4 percent in 2003.

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To: sylvester80 who wrote (1237)7/3/2002 7:19:03 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Inflation fears rise as trade deficit jumps, foreign investors flee

By Dean Calbreath
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

uniontrib.com

July 1, 2002

Shaken by Wall Street's growing scandals and sickly profits, foreign investors are pulling the plug on their U.S. investments, adding to an outflow of cash that tops $1.25 billion a day.

Some economists worry that if the exodus goes too far, it could threaten the underpinnings of the wobbly economy.

"This is an enormous problem that will become unsustainable within a very short period of time," said Mark Weisbrot, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, D.C.

If the trend continues, some economists warn, inflation could roar back to life. That would force the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates, which in turn would slow the economic recovery.

"Foreigners don't have to sell their U.S. securities to have a tremendous impact on our economy," said James Welsh, who heads Welsh Money Management in Carlsbad. "They just have to stop buying."

Japan, which has long been one of the chief U.S. bond buyers, has already been sharply cutting its purchases.

"A lot of Japanese invested in Enron's corporate bonds, which were supposed to be very low risk," said Takeo Hoshi, a Japanese economist who teaches at the University of California San Diego. "After Enron collapsed, Japanese investors began reassessing the risk of U.S. investments. And each scandal makes things look more risky."

Hoshi added that the Japanese are a bit amused by the current state of affairs. "Japanese businesses have been bad for a decade, and they've been pressured to upgrade their accounting to global standards, which means U.S. standards. But now they see that U.S. standards aren't perfect either."

Concerns are widespread. Net foreign purchases of stock decreased nearly 60 percent in the past year, dropping from $41.7 billion in the first quarter of 2001 to $17.6 billion in the first quarter of 2002.

That outflow has contributed to the burgeoning current account deficit, which measures the flow of trade, stock and bond purchases, direct investment and foreign aid between the United States and foreign countries.

During the first three months of the year, the deficit – which has been in the red for years – soared to a record $112.5 billion. In just three months, the deficit jumped 18 percent, rising from $95.1 billion in the fourth quarter of 2001.

For the past two years, the current account deficit has hovered around 4 percent of the nation's gross domestic product – a gap that most economists view as dangerous. If the deficit continues at its current rate, it will total an estimated $10.6 trillion by 2010 and $32.5 trillion by 2035.

In the boom times of the 1990s, it was easy to ignore the deficit. Skyrocketing stock prices drew a deluge of foreign investors, eager to pump money into an Enron-style energy conglomerate or a rising dot-com upstart.

Times were so good that the government printed lots of cash – helping boost the money supply at a clip of 7 percent per year. In normal times, the Federal Reserve might have worried that such an influx of cash would have sparked inflation. But the Fed apparently did not worry much about inflation, since there was so much demand for U.S. dollars overseas.

However, now that Wall Street's bubble has burst, the supply of dollars – which are no longer in hot demand – could fuel inflation. During the past few months, the euro has become more popular than the dollar, rising from 85.88 cents in January to 99.90 cents on Friday.

The decline in the value of the dollar should help companies export more goods abroad. But if the dollar drops too fast, it could scare investors and spark the Fed to take strong remedies, including a sharp spike to interest rates.

"The less attractive the U.S. appears, the more rapid the dollar will go down," said UCSD economics professor Miles Kahler, who specializes in capital flows. "We could have some precipitous dives."

The dollar's decline and the pullback in foreign investments come at a bad time for the federal government, which needs foreign cash to help make up for the growing budget deficit.

During the first eight months of this year, the government is projected to incur a budget deficit of $140 billion. That compares with a budget surplus of $140 billion during the first eight months of 2001.

"Until recently, U.S. fiscal policy was very orderly. But with the government heading into deficit, a major concern is whether foreigners are willing to hold dollars," said Tom Lieser, chief economist at UCLA's Anderson School of Business. "The strength of the euro has got to be more attractive than dollars to institutional investors."

To finance the trade deficit, the United States has been borrowing $450 billion a year from abroad, largely through the sale of Treasury securities. To raise more money to cover the budget deficit, the Treasury will need to issue new bonds. But U.S. bonds have not been doing well lately, since the Fed has pushed interest rates so low to stimulate the U.S. economy. And the declining value of the dollar is also making bonds less attractive to foreigners.

"The dollar's decline complicates the Fed's management," Lieser said. "Typically, the Fed wouldn't consider raising interest rates at a time when the economy is still shaky. With the dollar declining, though, it might be pushed closer to that."

A rise in interest rates would probably attract more foreign investors to U.S. bonds, offering the promise of higher returns. But if interest rates go too high, it would add to the federal debt, so that interest payments alone could soon start choking the economy.

"The big policy debates for politicians recently have been over the national budget deficit or the Social Security gap, but those pale in comparison to the current account deficit," Weisbrot said.

"With Social Security, you're talking about a problem that amounts to 1 percent of our GDP, which could turn into a major problem 40 years from now. The current account deficit is much larger and could create major problems this decade."