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To: Don Earl who wrote (14739)7/3/2002 1:42:10 PM
From: Paul Senior  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 78701
 
Don Earl: I don't believe the predictions or explanations of SWY management either. Not sure I even trust these guys. From what I can see - in my little tiny corner of the world - we're about saturated with grocery stores. And the days of 10-15% growth are gone in today's Costco/Wal-Mart/ABS/KR tough competitive environment. Imo, they will all be trying to take market share from each other - and that's not a good thing for investors.

I'll bet that the $2.80 (approx.) earnings estimate holds though. That's a drop, but it could be doable. And a p/e of 10 might be sustainable. If there is an earnings improvement over than next year, or if people become willing to pay more for a "presumed" "stable" business, the p/e could rise.

On the other hand, it could drop - everywhere where companies have earnings, p/e's seem to be going lower - and SWY might warn again on earnings. So the stock might very well be a short from here.

I'm holding my small position and trying to look to the next 12 months.



To: Don Earl who wrote (14739)7/3/2002 1:42:51 PM
From: Keith J  Respond to of 78701
 
MIR_pa seems like a good value here, under 25. Yields 12%, and is worth $50 at maturity in 2020-something. Also is convertible to MIR common, but is well out of the money at this point.

I believe MIR will survive, even though it is being taken to the woodshed currently. Still making decent profits and has decent liquidity. Common may have more upside (with stated book value at $13, including goodwill), but believe there is less risk in the preferred.

KJ