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To: AC Flyer who wrote (20712)7/3/2002 6:17:42 PM
From: Don Lloyd  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
AC -

Productivity: The revised seasonally adjusted annual rates of productivity change in the first quarter were 8.3 percent in the business sector and 8.4 percent in the nonfarm business sector. In manufacturing, the revised productivity changes in the first quarter were 9.4 percent in manufacturing, 13.3 percent in durable goods manufacturing, and 4.6 percent in nondurable goods manufacturing. (Try and rationalize away those numbers).

High measured productivity growth is neither a sign of a healthy economy nor of prospective corporate profits. Rather it is a sign of extreme stress and potential economic collapse. Measured productivity primarily increases for one of three reasons :

1. Jobs are eliminated as workers sequentially finish their current production cycle functions to build inventory before the company closes its doors for good.

2. Jobs are eliminated as they become surplus due to high levels of capital investment.

3. Jobs are eliminated as financially weak competitors go out of business as competitive price reductions fail to adequately increase demand.

Only 2. represents a source of increased, or any, short and medium term profits, and it only works out over extended time. Rapid and large increases in measured productivity do not come from this source. It also represents a large financial stress on the companies to make the required investment to stay in business.

Regards, Don



To: AC Flyer who wrote (20712)7/3/2002 6:58:36 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 74559
 
ACF, that data was interesting, but how come the most important data is never included.

Total weight of people in the USA.
Total weight of people in China.
Total weight of people in India.

Those weights are rapidly increasing.

Total global human mass is [approx]:
6,015,314,159 x 55.358728 kg = 333 billion kilograms.

Now, I don't want to scare anyone, but that's exactly half of 666 billion and we all know what 666 means! With antimatter and matter human mass combined, we are exactly at that cusp.

In fact, we probably passed it at 20.02 20.02.2002 [Americans should note that in the rest of the world, we put the day then month, then year] at which time, weirdly enough, the Dow, Hang Seng and Nikkei were at the 10,000 triple-palindrome triple-witching event horizon and we all know about the black holes inside event horizons.

We popped up above the 10,000 event horizon, briefly, but do not seem to have escaped. We are teetering on the brink. Orbiting in a quasi-state between the abyss and freedom.

This is a truly quantum event - the dividing line between being and not being. This is not a random event, because despite the wacky quantum physicists, the universe is not random. But neither is it deterministic. It's a kind of Never-Never Land. Almost Alice in Wonderland style.

We choose to be. Or not to be.

To increase human mass to ensure we don't slip inside the event horizon, you all should go and eat a big meal. Or, more usefully, quickly reproduce another human - which would be more fun and better for your health.

While you make your choices, I'm off to golf. At such an auspicious time, I should finally get my hole in one.

Mqurice



To: AC Flyer who wrote (20712)7/3/2002 8:21:53 PM
From: Box-By-The-Riviera™  Respond to of 74559
 
oh they try oh so hard to engage you, and each time

their failure makes me snooze.

how bout you and i have a real man get together?

i know what you want.

but you will have to earn it first.

superficiality is worth less than a fiat currency.

you ready freddy. exqueese if that's not your name. <g>



To: AC Flyer who wrote (20712)7/3/2002 8:30:54 PM
From: EL KABONG!!!  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
Hi AC Flyer,

I must say that I do admire your tenacity when it comes to fortifying your market beliefs.

I suspect that you and I do not differ greatly in how we evaluate and "forecast" whatever directions the markets may decide to migrate. By nature, I'm a bull, a long term, buy-and-hold bull. I'm well aware that, on average, the markets tend to rise over time to the tune of about 9% to 11% per annum, so I tend to play the markets long, where the averages are in my favor (over time). For investments, I favor GAARP (growth at a reasonable price) and value plays. I disdain technical analysis (orange smoke and black magic to me), and strongly favor fundamental analysis for stock selection and eventual investments, though I will consult with my TA friends for their opinions when timing a buy and/or a sell. (Hey! Who am I to quibble with the TA folks over what they do. Whatever works is fine by me... <g>) I avoid shorting, options, foreign investments, etc. in order not to complicate my life and my taxes. During times of bear markets, I simply move into cash and cash equivalents to avoid extraordinary market risk.

Now having said all of the above, I remain very firmly in the bear camp for now. Their DD is usually much better than that of investors who are straight out bulls. And their evaluation of "statistics" and "facts" is also usually (but not always) much more in line with any realized outcomes. The timing of forecasts is almost always off, whether one is a bull or a bear, but bears appear to be more open-minded and therefore have more accuracy more often, from my observations.

Currently, I am very troubled by government statistics and data. I may be wrong, but to me, it seems as though lately the government has been releasing all of these numbers that somehow seem to get revised a month or two later. Over the past year or two, it seems as though all of the data revisions have been to the detriment of the bull perspective. Newspapers and magazines tout the original numbers in their headlines, but relegate the revisions to the inner pages of the publication. So, when you quote all of these new government statistics regarding the direction of the markets and the underlying economy, understand that I am highly skeptical of the data, to the point where I no longer believe it, and actually distrust the various agencies that release the numbers. I am really starting to believe that some well-meaning (yet misguided) group is indeed manipulating the US markets to the long side. Perhaps there is something after all to this so-called "plunge protection team". I don't know for sure, but my gut certainly tells me that something isn't going according to Hoyle. And since I don't know what that "something" is, I'm much better off unwinding all of my investments and migrating to cash, rather than trying to pick the few stocks that might do well in this environment. What I currently fear most is a general market sell-off, one where reason and logic are replaced with a sell-at-any-price emotion; in other words panic selling, which I think is a distinct possibility in the near term future.

I think that you might benefit somewhat by being a bit more skeptical of government data, and pay a little bit more attention to what is going on in the real world around you, wherever you may live. For myself, I take notice of decreased store traffic in the higher priced malls in my area, and increased traffic in discount retailers, such as Wal-Mart. I notice that the freight trains have far fewer cars to tow than they used to have. I no longer see as many freight trucks on the freeways as there used to be. And overall traffic is down on the roadways during rush hours, indicating fewer people commuting to work during the rush hours. The restaurants that I favor now have no wait times at all, whereas just a year ago, wait times of an hour or more were commonplace. FedEx and UPS trucks make far fewer visits to my neighborhood. Even my mail has far fewer advertisement circulars than was there even as recently as the beginning of this year. Everywhere I look, there are signs of a slowing economy, not an economy that is growing, or even merely treading water. Only two years ago, the economy around here was vibrant; growth was plainly visible; people were obviously moving upward in their standard of living. Circumstances have changed, and people are now satisfied merely to have a job, let alone expectant of raises and promotions.

So, my observations (admittedly anecdotal, and limited to the very small piece of geography that I can personally see) do not jive one iota with the government statistics and data. Someone or something isn't being totally honest and up front regarding the economy. So, I hope you will understand my extreme skepticism of whatever government data you may offer as support for a bullish economic outlook, and a corresponding rise in the stock markets. My problem is not with you or any other individual, but instead with a rosy outlook for the economy and stocks that does match what I can personally observe.

Good luck...

KJC



To: AC Flyer who wrote (20712)7/4/2002 1:16:18 AM
From: LLCF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
<Growth: 5.6% GDP growth in 1Q '02.>

Yea, what is it 2.2% after Govt. and inventroy building?

<<The recent strength in new orders folows the dearth of orders that followed the 9/11 atacks and suggests that production and employment will continue to strenthen in coming months.>>>

Glad YOU have confidence in their rational! Yea...

Opps, then they hedge: <<At a minimum, the latest reading suggests factory payrols whould be unchanged which still marks an improvement over the past 18 months.>>

Whooooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeee... man this economy is BLAZING!

<The share of firms paying higher prices for key components and raw material rose 2% while just 8% of respondants reported paying lower prices.>

Yep... we import that stuff.. prices going up... too bad NOT in domestic goods that WE manufacture. Profit margins are SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEZING tighter.

Thanks for the link.. interesting and amazing how a company selling stocks can sell that stuff as good for their product isnt' it/??

Well, I'm off for a while... it was nice to drop in and see nothing changed. Father time and mr. market will keep revealing the truth as usual.

Hey, Jay....for now, I've covered most shorts... still long some small gold shares and buying more on this dip [DROOY, NGX..., but small and careful, mostly cash as usual.

Hey, I bought some biotech Jay.... prices are pre-pre VC if anyone cares... science value close to zero on many. If I talk to any of them on the phone I'll give 'em your number AC... I'm sure you can get 'em some funding. eh eh..

DAK