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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (270575)	7/6/2002 5:40:16 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Respond to of 769670

Are you on drugs? GZ

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (270575)	7/6/2002 10:30:54 AM
From: RON BL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

(97% of the increase in income over the past 20 years in the U.S. has gone to the top 20% of the families) but also about human rights issues. I thought you guys said that the Clinton era was the greatest era and that the poor prospered . Which way is it ? I previously stated that the rich got richer under him

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (270575)	7/6/2002 11:03:18 AM
From: RON BL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

ITS THE TAX CODE MORON !!! The Democrats have boasted that they are the friend of the poor. But the tax code has only the voice of the super rich bribing the powers that be. The current system which grants the power to the ultra rich is what the Democrats have desired and put in place. The middle class and poor plus the upper middle class pay through the nose and have no power to bribe the powers that be. The corporations lobby and then get tax relief and free money. Look at the situation in California where G Davis gave a huge contract to Oracle for software that nobody wanted. GW is now showing that the Republican party can do the same as the Democrats and hand out money for votes. There is very little difference between the two parties. Solution is flat tax and term limits. That's for the good of both Democrats and Republicans who are all being screwed. Nader sees that and so does Perot. One is left and one is right. Get with the picture.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (270575)	7/7/2002 3:18:00 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

FULL DISCLOSURE, THEN SEND CRIMINALS TO JAIL --- EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED The simpering wussies in Washington kowtow to all paying lobbyists, whether Saudi or Enron, to keep the American tax money and military support coming. Citizens who pay the $2 trillion and thousands of lives need not apply. Whether the rich get richer isn't as relevant as whether the rest are taken advantage of covertly. The key assumption to the classic idea of capitalism is fairness, which means full disclosure and access to information paid for by taxpayers, and required of regulated public companies. Media control prevents that at the moment. That is, IMO the only difference between capitalism that works, and what doesn't. It isn't "free market" capitalism that's the problem, it's the covert distortion caused by secret lobbyist meetings and backroom deals among donors and politicians. This, as we see daily, causes unfair and illegal distribution of benefits to those wealthy interests, who become parasites living off the largess of the American taxpayer-citizen, who ultimately are the power on this planet. But who are shackled by secrecy and covert action among Washington crowd, to the extent that we citizens are no longer even remotely represented by Congress or the administration. If we ask questions or object we are instead threatened with violent action, or dragged into useless disputes. I agree with the author's conclusion, especially that we the taxpayer pay for military action that corporate interests then use for their own profit. - Oil costs $65 bbl due to the $50b in military protection it also costs (not even accounting for blowback deaths for the moment) - Pharm costs $24 b in gov't grants given free to pharm co's. who then mark it up an order of magnitude and sell it back to the taxpayers who paid to develop it I still have the possibly naive notion that full disclosure will balance these powerful forces of we Americans and our parasitic government/business leaders. Getting that disclosure, however, is as we say, non-trivial....