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To: semiconeng who wrote (167539)	7/8/2002 12:49:08 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Semi, Re: "one of "The Basic Principles" that the US was founded on, was Not on the "Principle" of Religion, but actually on the PRINCIPLE of Religious FREEDOM, and I thought that also included the Freedom of No Religion." Correct, but when one person decides to prevent a school full of children from reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, that person is impugning on the FREEDOM of those children to recite a passage of historical importance. The Pledge does not affirm one's allegiance to God, but to the Flag of the United States of America. It is always someone's Free Choice not to say the Pledge, but when that person tries to make it ILLEGAL by claiming a separation of Church and State, then that infringes on the RIGHTS of others who regard the Pledge for other reasons. That's what this is all about. Bringing religion into the argument is just to cause controversy. It's not about religion, but rather hypocrisy. It's easy to play the Victim, but it should be obvious to anyone that the real victims are those people whose RIGHT to recite the Pledge had been REVOKED by the two California "Justices". wbmw

To: semiconeng who wrote (167539)	7/8/2002 1:04:47 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

RE:"I was under the impression that this persecution they suffered, was one of the reasons that one of "The Basic Principles" that the US was founded on, was Not on the "Principle" of Religion, but actually on the PRINCIPLE of Religious FREEDOM, and I thought that also included the guarantee of Freedom of No Religion. I can't help noticing though that "Religious" People, rarely seem to be tolerant of that particular point of view." True, but you cannot deny the history of just who these religious Pilgrims were and what they believed. This is what the USA was founded on. Of course all this is changing...in the name of "freedom" of course...but you may not like the end result.

To: semiconeng who wrote (167539)	7/8/2002 8:21:00 AM
From: John F. Dowd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Semi: I don't know what language is your language of choice but what is it you don't understand about: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created* equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,* Creator/created bespeaks of a God who made us and the world and all that is in it. The concern of the Founding Fathers was not the destruction of God but rather the preemption of a state denomination. In their humility and wisdom they saw that we were all created by the same God and therefore equal. JFD