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To: Thomas M. who wrote (934)7/8/2002 7:34:32 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3467
 
Thomas,

Thank you. I've bookmarked your posts. This is an important truth that I feel the world needs to understand. Sadists and madmen who support that immoral and heinous decision to use those weapons ought to really think about their moral compass. It appears to be absent.

Salaams, Ray



To: Thomas M. who wrote (934)7/8/2002 7:48:09 PM
From: Ish  Respond to of 3467
 
<<Every single person involved in the war thought we should not drop the bombs, except for Truman. >>

From one thing I saw the Japanese didn't think they could lose. The last plan was to put children on the beach with spears. That was to demoralise our troops over having to kill children. Then the Royale Guard could attack the weakened American troops.

Some said we should have invited some Japaneese to a deserted island to see the boom. I bet that wouldn't have worked either. Took two to end the war.

I used to eat lunch with an officer who did the damage reports. His recall of the A bombs and their destruction was awesome.



To: Thomas M. who wrote (934)7/8/2002 9:26:44 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3467
 
Every single person involved in the war thought we should not drop the bombs, except for Truman.

While the decision to use the bomb was controversial, your statement is a lie. There were opinions in both directions. Truman's decision was based heavily on the advice of a "committee of scientific, corporate, military and government leaders ... formed by Secretary of War Stimson". Furthermore, the decision to use the bomb came only after Japan had rejected the Potsdam Declaration.

atomicmuseum.com
The Potsdam Proclamation
July 26, 1945
The Potsdam Declaration was broadcast to the Japanese by the Allied Forces. The demands of the Declaration created a crisis in Japan.
* Prime Minister Suzuki
July 28, 1945
The Prime Minister announced he would ignore the proclamation.
* Interim Committee Formulates Policy
April through June 1945
A committee of scientific, corporate, military and government leaders was formed by Secretary of War Stimson to formulate policy on "the whole field of atomic energy, in its political, military and scientific aspects." The committee's major function was to determine if the bomb should be used with or without warning. On June 1, 1945, the Interim Committee submitted its report to President Truman after agreeing unanimously:
* The bomb should be used against Japan as soon as possible.
* It should be used against a military target.
* It should be used without prior warning.


* The First Bomb
President Truman held off for a few more days the final orders that would result in the use of the bomb.


At the time the decision was made, the US had plenty of experience with invading territory held by Japanese troops. All of that experience would have led one to believe the Japanese would be extremely reluctant to surrender and would fight to virtually the last man.

oror.essortment.com
Two separate estimates exist to rate the number of American casualties that would result from such an invasion. A joint war plans committee comprised of the army and navy came to the conclusion that 46,000 Americans would die in an invasion of Kyushu and later Honshu. The number of American wounded averaged three to one during the later years of the war, so according to this estimate, 175,000 American casualties were not out of the question. However, these figures were based on such tentative intelligence that George Marshall, the army’s chief of staff, bluntly rejected them.
A second estimate proposed by Admiral Leahy was much higher. The invasion of Iwo Jima caused 6,200 American deaths, and the U. S. outnumbered the Japanese by four to one. Okinawa cost 13,000 U. S. servicemen, and they outnumbered the Japanese by two and one-half to one. These 13,000 men made up more than 35% of the U. S. landing force. Consequently, Admiral Leahy came to the conclusion that it was absurd to think that any less than 35% of the American force that invaded Japan would be killed. Based on the estimate of 560,000 Japanese soldiers on Kyushu as of early August, Leahy predicted that at very minimum over 250,000 American soldiers would lie dead as a result of an invasion of the Japanese islands.
It was later found that the troop strength on Kyushu was greatly under-estimated, and that by August 6 the Japanese had over 900,000 men stationed on Kyushu, nearly twice as many as thought. Leahy’s estimates that the Americans would have a preponderance, when in fact the 767,000 American soldiers who would comprise the landing force were already greatly outnumbered three months before Operation Olympic was actually to begin. By November, Japanese troop strength could easily double or triple, making between 500,000 and 1,000,000 American deaths conceivable.
These numbers do not even begin to account for the Japanese dead. In Okinawa, twice as many Japanese were killed as Americans. It is therefore plausible that between 100,000 (according to the earliest estimate) and two million soldiers would die in an invasion. This number does not include Japanese civilians dead, which could conceivably have been even higher than the number of dead soldiers.
The Japanese army was already training its civilians to fight with sharpened bamboo poles. According to samurai tradition, there was no more honorable way to die than to do so for Japan and the emperor, and the civilians were quite prepared to take this philosophy to heart. Using sharpened pikes the Japanese could easily prevent a military government from being effective in those towns which the U. S. captured. Futher, and even more brutal, was the training of young children to be “Sherman carpets.” Japanese children were to be strapped with TNT and throw themselves under American tanks, thereby dying in the most honorable way possible--by killing the enemy. It can be assumed that at least as many civilians would have died as soldiers, bringing the totals somewhere around 200,000 to four million Japanese dead, along with the 50,000 to one million American dead, totaling 250,000 to five million total dead.
It was hoped that the Japanese military would capitulate once American forces occupied the Tokyo Plain, but it is possible that they would fight to the last man. On Saipan, nearly 900 Japanese killed themselves rather than be taken prisoner by Americans. Such was the Japanese philosophy to fight to the last man. If an entire nation was compelled to launch suicide attacks against the occupying army, it is conceivable that many, many millions of Japanese civilians would die.



To: Thomas M. who wrote (934)7/10/2002 10:14:12 PM
From: Yogizuna  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3467
 
Yes, and even if the first atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima can somehow be explained away, the dropping of the second atom bomb on Nagasaki was pure unadulterated terrorism, and for this I am deeply ashamed and embarrassed. One does not have to be a liberal, lefty, or unpatriotic to think and feel this way about that terrible crime against humanity....