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To: T L Comiskey who wrote (1702)7/9/2002 11:10:22 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
This bear is betting on Nasdaq 500

The Prudent Bear Fund is up a whopping 109% in the last 27 months. Its manager, David Tice, thinks he has plenty of room to run yet and sees the Nasdaq falling deeper into the hole.

By Timothy Middleton

moneycentral.msn.com

Look for Timothy Middleton on "Squawk Box."

It sure is to some people. The benchmark tumbled 71% from its peak in March of 2000 to the end of June, hitting a five-year low. The distance to 500 from here would be less, just another 63%.

Bears have made a killing on the move so far, and David Tice predicts there are more fortunes to be made by selling the country short. Selling short is highly unpopular -- and, since Sept. 11, something a lot of people see as vaguely unpatriotic, as well -- but his Prudent Bear Fund (BEARX) is up 109% in the last 27 months.

“Unfortunately, markets overshoot their fair value,” says Tice, whose Dallas-based fund is approaching a five-year high. “We will correct excesses and imbalances, and we have an imbalance -- a maladjusted U.S. economy where there’s too much debt in the system.” He thinks the Nasdaq “could easily fall to 500,” as the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) tumbles another 67% to below 3,000.

Investors who cling to their stocks, which is most of us, are confident Tice is wrong. “I think it’s too late” to make money by betting on a steep further decline, says Sheldon Jacobs, editor of the No-Load Fund Investor newsletter. He notes some gold funds, the only sector in which Tice is long, tumbled 20% last month.

“I think we’re going to have a real slow summer,” Jacobs says, “but I remain -- for not a lot of reasons -- hopeful that we’ll get a bull market in either the fourth quarter or the first quarter.”

Tice is betting the carnage will continue. The 18-year bull market that ended in 2000 was preceded by 17 years of bear market. “We have gone from record low participation by individual investors to a record high, and what happens in secular bear markets is you wash all of that out,” he says. The process has, he thinks, about 15 years to go.

A bear sharpens his teeth
For 14 years, Tice has published research for institutional investors in a report called "Behind the Numbers". He launched his mutual fund at the end of 1995, which he admits was four years too early, as it lost money in each of them. “Remember, 1996 was the year that Greenspan called what was going on 'irrational exuberance,'” he says. “Our mistake was that we didn’t think policy makers would let the bubble get so far out of control.”

What the Fed missed, Tice thinks, is that massive inflation was occurring in the late 1990s, which would have called for much tighter monetary policy, except that it wasn’t happening in goods and services, which is where everyone looks, but in assets such as stocks and real estate.

Even today, after a huge fall, the price-to-earnings ratio of the stocks in the S&P 500 Index ($INX) is 30. When the last bear market ended, in 1982, it was 7.

Tice sponsored a symposium in the fall of 1999, predicting a massive crash. At the same time, he demonstrated the depth of his research by predicting a tumble in shares of Tyco International (TYC, news, msgs), criticizing the conglomerate’s accounting.

The shares were trading north of $50 when he published that opinion, and they fell to less than $40 within three months. Subsequently they surged to more than $60, however, and Tyco became a darling of growth investors as it resisted the bear market in 2000 and 2001.

Now those accounting methods have become controversial again, and the stock is down to less than $13.

Profiting from tech's collapse
Tice's investors have benefited the most, however, from the collapse of the technology sector. One of his most spectacular shorts was Juniper Networks (JNPR, news, msgs), which went from a high of nearly $220 in the fall of 2000 to its current price below $7.

“It was obvious the entire telecommunications market was in disarray,” he says. Juniper had been gaining market share on Cisco Systems (CSCO, news, msgs), but remained a niche player highly vulnerable to cutbacks in capital spending. That’s what happened.

He still thinks technology is too richly priced, and is currently shorting IBM (IBM, news, msgs). “IBM has, we think, taken quite a bit of latitude in its accounting,” Tice says. Much of the company’s revenues derive from services, rather than goods, and he says that opens the door to slippery numbers.

Also, the high-tech company’s share price hasn’t fallen nearly as sharply as that of other many tech companies. It trades around $70. The high was around $130 in the summer of 2000.

Shorts account for roughly 80% of Tice’s $330 million of assets, with the balance evenly divided between long positions in gold stocks and a few special situations. He trimmed the gold position in the spring, as the group surged, but retained Goldcorp (GG, news, msgs). The Canadian mining company produces gold for about $70 an ounce and is selling it currently for more than $300.

When the bear gets bitten
Investing with the bears is, however, fraught with its own problems. The upside on a short position is the difference between its current price and zero; in other words, it’s limited. There is no limit on the downside.

Short squeezes, or organized efforts to ratchet up a share’s price in order to bankrupt shorts, are often successful. Tice acknowledges this and uses put options and other derivatives to lessen his exposure to short squeezes. Still, the risk can’t be eliminated.

Also, there are many profitable alternatives to big-cap U.S. stocks. Value and small-company investors have largely sidestepped the bear. So have investors in basic industries like manufacturing. Bond investors have also done well.

Overseas, moreover, Japan has staged a serious rally -- the Nikkei 225 index ($NI225) is up 14.3% since early February. And emerging markets have been rallying as well. Investing in these markets carries its own share of risks, but they are easier for most investors to understand than the risk in short-selling.

Finally, there is serious timing risk in bear-market investing, because buried within a secular bear market will be some cyclical bulls, each one capable of squeezing shorts mercilessly.

For example, a secular bear market began in 1965, but that downward slide was reversed in 1970, when the Nifty Fifty rally took the S&P 500 up nearly 30%. The index was crushed again in 1973.

So a prudent investor has to make two decisions before approaching the Prudent Bear Fund. He first has to accept the argument that major indices will continue sliding nearly as much as they already have, only excruciatingly slowly. He then has to believe no cyclical rally will spring up anytime soon to savage him as much as the bear market already has.

I’m with Jacobs. Whatever you call what lies ahead -- secular or cyclical (bicyclical?) -- I think the easy money has been made on the bear side. The risk of some sustained good news is just too great.

At the time of publication, Timothy Middleton owned the following securities mentioned in this article: Cisco Systems.



To: T L Comiskey who wrote (1702)7/9/2002 11:14:16 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Will your friend Giuliani run against 'W' in 2004...??

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To: T L Comiskey who wrote (1702)7/9/2002 11:29:30 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Dobbs Report: Memo to Staff

A few thoughts tonight for the White House staffers who worked on the president's speech.

July 9, 2002: 7:29 PM EDT
By Lou Dobbs, Lou Dobbs Moneyline


money.cnn.com

NEW YORK (CNN) - A few thoughts tonight for the White House staffers who worked on the president's speech over the weekend while he was playing golf in Maine.

You folks are supposed to be helping him, not serving him up as an easy target for the Democrats.... Do you really believe it was in the president's best interest to be seen on every news network playing the game of business, that is, golf, in the days before he was supposed to be the Great Reformer of business? And as for the speech, did you buy into the Democratic view that the president is too close to business for him to credibly be the reformer of big business? Is that why the president talked with so little passion, with so few specifics? Don't you realize the CEO/MBA president has a unique advantage in leading reform of corporate America and Wall Street?


And which genius among you had the president go to Wall Street to make this too tepid speech on reform? How about instead the president summoning the leaders of corporate America, the stock exchanges, the business roundtable, the business council, and the other organizations representing big business into the Oval Office to get their direction on conscience, character and conduct from the nation's chief executive? How about the president simply telling them that there will be zero tolerance of corporate corruption, that the SEC and the Justice Department will use every existing law and tool at their disposal to root out criminals and convict them? That the leaders of every big corporation and national business organization will lead by both example and voice or lose the support of the administration?

And who among you had the bright idea of creating another task force? There's already one task force working in Houston... it's called the Enron task force, and we haven't seen any results in seven months. Will you all finally figure out that the Justice Department and SEC have spent too many months investigating Enron, without any action? That the time for action is now? That the president's next speech on corporate ethics will have more power if it's preceded by indictments and arrests of, not a few bad apples or bad actors, but an ever growing list of corporate crooks? I can't wait for that next speech.



To: T L Comiskey who wrote (1702)7/10/2002 11:07:57 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 89467
 
gold indexes are in critical zone now, unsure up/down

HUI went farther up yday than I expected with the crappy looking stock picture
why do stocks look to Bush for inspiration?
HUI topped at 137 yday, now 133
the little shorterm downtrend tilted peaks recently offer some resistance
dunno how important that is
instead, support at 120 might have been far more important

HUI shows a bearish pennant, bear triangle still apparent
HUI could find support with its trio of Moving Avgs here
but it also could find resistance from two sources
first, the declining recent peaks
second, from hitting the former supporting uptrend line
now it is hitting that same uptrend line from below

XAU jumped yday also, up to 78, now 75
it is now firmly in the midst of all three MA's
the 18MA, 30MA, 50MA
it is now bumping up against them from below
while seeing a little downtrend of its own from declining peaks

this is a tenuous situation for golds
nothing looks clear on direction

meanwhile gold metal came off #316
now at #315
but silver spiked up to #511, now back to #501

I still think golds are struggling
they are back to becoming linked to declining stocks though
they are moving together now, inversely
/ jim