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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (187)	7/11/2002 5:06:16 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Ray, If you're still interested in instances of "History repeating itself" then I've got a few gems for you.... Just read the following scrap and see how Judeofascists have been merely feeding us with the very same bullshit they used against far-left extremism in the 1970s. burn.ucsd.edu Excerpt: All serious evaluations of the Brigades deal with the BR's wide network of support as well. While the BR does not reveal details of its organizational strength (and we ourselves have, of course, no way to directly measure these matters), it might be useful to review the commonly used public estimations on this. In the wake of the BR's Aldo Moro kidnapping (he was the Italian President-to-be and the single most powerful bourgeois politician) in 1978 the New York Times reported: "The hard core of the Red Brigades consists of 400 to 500 full-time members who are on the payroll of the organization. Their salary is 250,000 lire (about $400) a month, the minimum wage of an Italian worker... "Above ground, a second group of up to 1,000 Brigatisti live a seemingly normal existence as respected members of Italian society. Specialists in the government, press and diplomatic community who have attempted to piece together a picture of how the terrorists operate generally believe that the above-ground members of the Red Brigades are men and women in their 30's and early 40's whose ties to the organization date back to the student revolution of the late 1960's and early 70's, and who have since made their mark in life and have reached positions of responsibility in government ministries, the police, the large nationalized and private industries and the political parties... "Among the new recruits, specialists say, have been a good many workers in the large industries in the Milan and Turin area - Italy's most prosperous and most advanced region. This is thought to be highly important - and ominous." Public estimates of the revolutionary left's active base were uniformly large by the late 70's. Professor Sabino Acquaviva of Padua (one of the militant student centres), a researcher on political violence, put the size of the illegal left underground at 4,000-8,000 cadre and the size of the active support base at 200,000-300,000. In a major New York Times Magazine story in 1981, the conservative U.S. journalist Claire Sterling (who has obvious ties to the C.I.A.) writes of Italy's "so-called Second Society of hundreds of thousands of law-abiding citizens offering the terrorists acceptance and protection." The question is not whether these estimates are numerically accurate. This is not primary for us. Rather they show how all observers have been impressed with the dimension of the BR's organizational base. Even if, in the current season, repression has disrupted and partially imposed a stillness, this doesn't change the important fact that masses of people voluntarily made a choice for communism. It is an open secret that the BR has an underground among the older "Stalinist" trade-unionists of the revisionist PCI (Communist Party of Italy). These tough veterans of the docks and steel mills, particularly in industrial Turin and Genoa, oppose the revisionist sell-out of their party's revolutionary tradition. Many bitterly condemn the 1945 disarming of their partisan guerrilla units by the PCI leadership as the derailing of revolution. In Genoa a 49-year-old worker at Italsider steel works was caught secretly passing out BR leaflets by a revisionist PCI union officer, who not only informed to the police but testified against his co-worker in court. This collaborator, Guido Rossa, was later executed by the BR. [...] ___________________________ Replace "Red Brigades" with "Al Qaeda", "Communism" with "Islamism" and you get the present-day sequel to the so-called strategy of tension that was covertly devised in Western Europe throughout the Cold War.... And now for the "Al-Qaeda" version: July 11, 2002 5,000 in U.S. suspected of ties to al Qaeda By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES U.S. intelligence agencies are watching several groups of Middle Eastern men thought to be part of an infrastructure of as many as 5,000 al Qaeda terrorists and their supporters in the United States, The Washington Times has learned. Small groups of about a half-dozen men in Seattle, Chicago, Detroit and Atlanta are under surveillance by FBI and other intelligence agencies and are thought to be part of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, said intelligence officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. In one case, five men of Middle Eastern origin rented rooms in Seattle and conducted activities that officials would not specify but called unusual. "One [intelligence] estimate is that there are up to 5,000 people in the United States connected to al Qaeda," one U.S. intelligence official said. The 5,000 figure was reported in classified intelligence reports sent to government policy-makers within the past month and is an increase from earlier estimates. Earlier this year, U.S. government officials put al Qaeda numbers in the United States at more than 100 active members with hundreds of sympathizers. washtimes.com Those intelligence hacks really lack imagination/creativity, don't they??? I mean, all they've done so far is digging up their old files from the CIA's 1970 cabinet and changing the cast --Arab villains instead of Italian Commies.... Gus

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (187)	7/11/2002 6:02:34 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 3959

Footnote to the previous post. wakeupmag.co.uk Excerpt: Under the guise of "left wing insurgency", Operation Gladio embarked on a reign of terrorist bombings across the country that left at least 300 dead. The bombings were blamed on the extreme left as part of a strategy to mould public opinion to the idea of an alternative government taking power by force. The Gladio personnel created a parallel government called P2 (Propaganda Due), a neo-fascist Masonic Lodge composed of most of the country's top military officers, political leaders, industrialists, bankers, and diplomats. P2 had close connections with the CIA and carried out drug smuggling missions and assassinations for them. They infiltrated the Red Brigades and carried out the murder of Aldo Moro in 1978. Colonel Oswald Le Winter of the CIA, who served as U.S. liaison officer with Gladio, has stated that the planning staff of the Red Brigades was made up of CIA intelligence agents. Gladio also carried out the bomb attack on Bologna Railway station in 1980 in which 85 people were killed and hundreds injured. The outcry over this led to the exposure of much of the conspiracy and the CIA arranged for P2's Grandmaster, fascist Licio Gelli to escape to Argentina. [...] ________________________ Again, replace "left wing insurgency" with "Islamic terrorism", "Red Brigades" with "Al Qaeda" and "CIA" with "FSB/DGSE/Mossad combine" and you get the update.... Gus