To: TraderAlan who wrote (16171 ) 7/14/2002 9:02:41 AM From: ams Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 18137 <Do you know you could have posted those same articles all through the 1990s because "they" were writing exactly the same thing> Please consider the case of the Boy Who Cried Wolf. The moral of that story is not to lie because people won't believe you when you finally tell the truth. I believe that's what we have here except it's not a wolf, it's Mother Bear and she's very angry. I remember the Nikkei naysayers throughout the 80's warning about the ridiculous valuations of the Nikkei and the Japanese hype. Many Japan naysayers were heavily criticized and even called racist. Look at the Nikkei now (12 years later). A year or two ago when our stock market bubble burst and people compared our situation to the Nikkei, the popular defense was "we're different from the Japanese (corruption) and we don't have a banking problem because we "mark to market." With our current revelations of malfeasance in corporations and maybe even our President/Vice President, I don't hear that defense anymore. For anyone who thinks we don't have a banking problem, you're kidding yourself. I read plenty about the naysayers that were discredited before the 1929 crash and The Great Depression. The story is the same for all the manias/bubbles. That's why they call it a mania. We are now in denial stage. For anyone who's interested in reading about the anatomy of manias and it's aftermath, try this: amazon.com But I warn you, it's very dry reading. It took me awhile, but well worth the time invested. Interesting side note: I used to tell my wife that I don't have much time to read since becoming a father some years back. But the opposite is true, I'm reading a lot now: during piano lessons, swimming lessons, karate, sports practice. It's great and no one to bother me while I wait and read. Everyone has experiences talking to devils advocates. They're easy to figure out. Whenever you bring up a point, they automatically take the opposite view (I think it's an ego trip and probably related to low self-esteem) and scramble for reasons to justify their position. The reasons are usually weak, in generalities, and sometimes completely irrelevant. In parties and other gatherings, I know to politely walk away. In all my post I've clearly, to the best of my ability, stated my case and provided links when available. Please try to return the favor. Remember, I am not selling any book, promote a website, or God forbid, build up a reputation to be a GURU one day. Money doesn't mean THAT much to me. I have nothing to gain except a desire to get a productive discussion on what I believe is a serious situation in our market/country. Good trading, ams