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To: TREND1 who wrote (94138)7/13/2002 3:01:00 PM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 99280
 
Larry I do not care how many they give out. In and ove themselves stock options (unless extremely excessive) are neither good nor bad.

The problem I have is that they are not expensed. Company wants to give them out. Fine. Subtract them from earnings. Therein lies the problem. Corporate America is using them to make the fat cats rich without accounting for the affect on earnings. If they had to be accounted for, I doubt so many would be given out.

Stock option accounting is a totall scam.

M



To: TREND1 who wrote (94138)7/13/2002 4:45:52 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw  Respond to of 99280
 
i don't think too many people are saying stock options are bad. what i hear is a great many people saying is stock options expensed on page fourteen of the footnotes are bad.

at least that's what i think i hear.



To: TREND1 who wrote (94138)7/13/2002 5:53:54 PM
From: Les H  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 99280
 
In conjunction with requiring the reporting of option expense, they need to get rid of the stupid law that limited corporate tax deductions for executive cash compensation over $ 1 mill. They shouldn't favor one form of current compensation over another.



To: TREND1 who wrote (94138)7/13/2002 6:08:24 PM
From: Sweet Ol  Respond to of 99280
 
I think stock options should be limited to private companies and the first 5-10 years after IPO. After all, it is really sweat equity, another source of capital. It is not needed by stable companies who have ready sources of capital. The problem comes in large companies when the objectives of the managers become disconnected from the owners.

Best to all,

JRH



To: TREND1 who wrote (94138)7/13/2002 6:32:43 PM
From: nspolar  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 99280
 
Larry, Do the Chinese allow stock options?

If less gov't is better and translates into higher efficiency, and more is bad and infers reduced efficiency, how will more and more go to China? There would seem to be little question China currently has more gov't involvement than US, and will into the foreseeable future.

Seems to me there is flaw in your logic.