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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (336)7/14/2002 10:17:45 AM
From: ChinuSFO  Respond to of 3959
 
Example of sleeper Al Qaeda/Taliban cells in the US. How else do you get to them besides profiling? Is it possible that if a Buddhist temple is under surveillance that we will likely find such activities or should we keep mosques under surveillance? When terrorists take over mosques, can they be considered a place of worship anymore and granted the same liberties as other places of worship?

Taliban captive links Seattle, London radicals

By Mike Carter and David Heath
Seattle Times staff reporters

A British Taliban fighter in custody in Guantánamo Bay provided U.S. investigators a crucial link between a group of Seattle militant Muslims and members of a radical mosque in London, federal sources say.

The prisoner, Feroz Abbassi, told CIA interrogators earlier this year that he had traveled to Afghanistan from London in 2000 with an American — a Muslim convert now suspected of being a key figure in the Seattle group suspected of supporting the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Abbassi said he had met the man at the North London Central Mosque, a major recruiting ground for Islamic terrorists. That mosque is led by Abu Hamza al-Masri, a militant cleric who supports Osama bin Laden.

Abbassi reportedly said that while he was fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan, he met another man, a Swedish citizen, who had been to the United States in November 1999 to scout a potential site for an al-Qaida training camp.

That time frame coincides with the arrival of two men from the London mosque to a ranch in Bly, Ore., which at the time was being occupied by numerous members of the Seattle group.

Abbassi was captured by U.S. troops last December in fighting near Khandahar. It was the confluence of his information from Camp X-Ray in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and intelligence information provided to the FBI by detectives in Klamath County, Ore., that prompted what has become a major terrorism investigation.

Sources say that in late November 1999, two men from Abu Hamza's mosque arrived in New York and traveled to the Oregon ranch. The men reportedly communicated back to London that the terrain was similar to that found in parts of Afghanistan. Authorities learned their identities because a Klamath Falls police officer questioned them during a traffic stop Dec. 14, 1999.

Under questioning, Abbassi identified one of those two men as the Swedish man who had told him about the plans to establish a training camp in the United States, the sources said.

The FBI and a federal grand jury in Seattle are investigating some members of a now-defunct mosque in Seattle's Central Area, called Dar-us-Salaam. They are suspected of conspiring to support al-Qaida and Islamic terrorism against the United States.

The grand jury has indicted one man, Semi Osman, a naturalized British citizen and former cleric at the mosque. Osman, 32, faces immigration and weapons charges, and federal prosecutors allege the immigration crime was committed in support of international terrorism.

He was living on the Bly ranch during the time the al-Qaida scouts allegedly visited there.

Osman has pleaded not guilty.

Abbassi, 22, a native of Uganda and a British citizen, continues to be detained at Camp X-Ray. His detention has prompted numerous protests in the United Kingdom.

The Seattle man he allegedly met in London — not Osman — has been described by intelligence sources as a close associate of Abu Hamza. The Seattle man, who grew up in Seattle and attended Ingraham High School, helped set up the London mosque's Web site, titled the Supporters of Shariah, which encourages jihad against the West. (The Times does not routinely name criminal suspects until they are charged.)

Abu Hamza has applauded the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. In recent years, his mosque had been visited by Zacharias Moussaoui, the only individual charged in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks, and Richard Reid, who is accused of attempting to blow up an American Airlines flight with bombs hidden in his shoes.

seattletimes.nwsource.com



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (336)7/14/2002 6:40:39 PM
From: goldsnow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3959
 
Lost in all the outrage over the corporate accounting scandals is one fact politicians do not like to acknowledge: The auditing problems at American companies cannot rival the bookkeeping shambles of the world's largest enterprise — the U.S. government.




Exaggerated earnings, disguised liabilities, off-budget shenanigans — they are all there in the government's ledgers on a scale even the biggest companies could not dream of matching.

news.yahoo.com



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (336)7/14/2002 8:53:52 PM
From: ChinuSFO  Respond to of 3959
 
Ray, I thought David Broder is a big Bush supporter. For him to say this about Bush, things do not look all that rosy for "this son of a rich family who had a cushy time growing up".

Wobbly Words

By David S. Broder
Sunday, July 14, 2002; Page B07

The confidence crisis that has overtaken the Bush administration has many dimensions, but at bottom, it comes down to a single question: Can you take this president's words seriously?

For most of his presidency and, indeed, his political career, George Bush has enjoyed the
reputation of saying what he means and meaning what he says. But now uncertainty is infecting both foreign policy and domestic issues and stretching from the Middle East to Wall Street. While his personal approval scores remain very high in the polls, he is building a catalogue of policy contradictions and retreats that threaten to undermine his
leadership.

Presumably, at some point the stock market will recover, but the first returns on Bush's efforts to restore confidence in Wall Street were anything but encouraging. In the first two days after Bush journeyed to the heart of the financial world on a self-assigned mission to banish the world's worries about the integrity of corporate America, the Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 400 points and the Nasdaq market index hit its lowest mark since 1997.

This was not what Bush had in mind when he opened his Tuesday morning address on Wall Street with five successive paragraphs setting forth all the reasons that confidence in the American free enterprise system "is well-placed."

"We can be confident," he declared, not only because of "the amazing achievements of American workers and entrepreneurs" but because "America is taking every necessary step to fight and win the war on terror" and because "last year, we passed the biggest
tax cut in a generation" to spur economic growth.

Whether this was just rhetoric or was meant to be taken seriously, Bush's words clearly linked confidence in him and his policies with trust in financial markets and the corporate culture from which he sprang.

But a CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll released soon after Bush spoke showed only two out of five Americans think the United States and its allies are winning the war on terrorism, fewer than those who think it a stalemate.

And Friday, the president's budget office announced that instead of running a small surplus this year, the government is headed for a deficit of as much as $165 billion, a warning signal about the economic future.

Bush's personal performance has added to the wobble in confidence. The last-minute news conference in which he returned to the public stage from his Independence Day holiday was the weakest, most inarticulate showing he has made since the early months of his presidency. Asked repeatedly about his sale of stock in Harken Energy Corp., where he was a director, shortly before it had to revise upward its reported losses for the year, he responded eight times with variations on the words, "It has been looked at by
the SEC," the Securities and Exchange Commission, which found no reason to challenge the legality of his action.

When Bush is feeling defensive, he seems to think that reiteration is as effective as explanation or persuasion. It is not, but it is better than outright contradiction. And it turns out that, as a Harken director, Bush received two low-interest loans from the corporation to finance his purchase of company stock -- the very kind of transaction that he condemned in his Wall Street speech.

The problem is deeper. It involves policy reversals as well as personal contradictions. Nine months ago, Bush said he wanted Osama bin Laden "dead or alive." When asked about the elusive terrorist last week, Bush pretended he hardly matters, answering a question on bin Laden with the remark that "the war on terrorism is a lot bigger than one person."


Three months ago, Bush issued an ultimatum to Ariel Sharon to withdraw Israeli forces from Palestinian territories in the West Bank "without delay." Last week, with the Israelis still there, he said, he will "call upon the Israelis, as security improves, to allow for more
freedom of movement by the Palestinian people." That's quite a difference.

In the real world, where presidents must operate, friends and foes are constantly testing and assessing how seriously they must take the words of any leader. We do not know how Sharon or Yasser Arafat (who's been told by Bush to take a hike) or Saddam Hussein or bin Laden gauge this American president.

But last week, America's allies in the United Nations defied a Bush administration threat to end U.S. participation in the Bosnia peacekeeping operation unless our troops were given blanket immunity from possible prosecution by the new International Criminal Court. Instead, the United States will seek a temporary exemption, leading one unnamed diplomat to tell The Post, "the Americans blinked."

Too many back-downs in too short a time.

washingtonpost.com