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To: tejek who wrote (148346)	7/15/2002 5:25:31 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578214

Have we captured bin Laden? Is this your idea of a measure of the success of the war? Have we eliminated the Taliban from Afghanistan? To a significant degree, yes. Ask the Afghanistan people. Are we comfortable fighting in this terrain? Perhaps you ought to ask the soldiers in any war were they "comfortable" fighting in the enemy's terrain. The idea that wars are "comfortable" is just plain silly. Perhaps those fighting in Korea in sub -60 degree temperatures were more comfortable? Jeez. Do we see an end to the mess? Not all wars are as clear cut as our sound defeat of Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War. Sometimes, it is more difficult. This was pointed out by the administration up front and it was, of course, the biggest concern the administration had -- would the short memories of the constituents allow the war to be brought to a conclusion. Perhaps you've forgotten what happened on 9/11? We are in the same position as the Russians. How long were they in Afghanistan before they called it quits? There is absolutely no comparison between where WE are in Afghanistan and what the Russians were doing. None. And the worse part is we are picking up the tab for fixing their damage as well as our own. It is our history that we help the people of a nation rebuild. I don't see the problem with it.

To: tejek who wrote (148346)	7/15/2002 8:16:38 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578214

With the exception of setting up an Afghan gov't friendly to us, what has gone right? Have we captured bin Laden? Have we eliminated the Taliban from Afghanistan? Are we comfortable fighting in this terrain? Do we see an end to the mess? We are in the same position as the Russians. How long were they in Afghanistan before they called it quits? And the worse part is we are picking up the tab for fixing their damage as well as our own. Removing the Taliban is a big thing. They let Al-Qaida train and prepare openly on a large scale. Have we captured bin Laden? No but I don't see why you would expect us to have done so. Also he may be dead. As for our fighting in Afghanistan being like the Russsians situation, thats not true. The Russians where falling apart, and there army began to reflect that, plus they faced the opposition of almost the entire country. Their war in Afghanistan is closer to ours in Vietnam then it is to the current situtation in Afghanistan. I didn't say I blamed him for the war although he did jump in with both feet like he was Capt. America. Post 9/11 should he not have done so? I am not blaming him for the recession but rather what he has not done to correct the problem, and I am looking at tactics a little more complex than tax cuts. Well then that goes back to my comment about such micromanageing of the economic cycle by the government caused more harm then good 9 times out of 10. Maybe I'm exagerating and it isn't quite 90%, but its more then 50%. First off, this issue has been burning brightly for the past year with little intervention on the part of Bush. Furthermore, its not Clinton's cronies who are CEOs, but rather Bush's. Most CEOs and most CEOs that head companies with shady accounting are not cronies of either man, but Clinton had his share of friends who where involved in finacial scandals. Foreign capital... I'm not sure there is much left to argue about on this point. We just disagree and it probably is a waste of time to continue repeating our disagreement. "Our European allies just disagree a lot with Bush, they would disagree a lot with me as well." And why do you think that is? Because they're wrong. :) Of course not, its never Bush's fault. Well, who do we blame. Mostly no one. I don't see any reason why some one has to be blamed for the existence of policy disagreements. Who is to blame for the fact that you and I disagree politically? No one. Different people have different ideas, and different ideas are popular in different countries. Get it.....the American people do not want star wars. We can't afford it and its not a reasonable increase in defense spending. Most Americans don't even know that we can't shoot down a single ICBM launched at an American city. If the question is asked in an unbiased manner I don't think that you will find any consensus against missile defence. Of course if you are asking the question it would probably be "Do you think we should waste billions of dollars on the useless and dangerous Star Wars program, causing massive deficits and economic disruption in the American economy?" And then you would say it was an unbiased question. The increase is modest and reasonable under the circumstances, and "Star Wars" is a bit of a red herring as the vast majority of increased spending goes to other areas. For example a lot more of it supports the war against terrorism then goes to balistic missle defense. Also a much larger amount goes to military pay increases then to missile defense. Tim