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To: craig crawford who wrote (143795)	7/16/2002 12:38:03 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164685

that article supports precisely everything i have been telling you over and over for all these months! it's all in there baby! like i have been saying, fat consumption as a percentage has decreased in the last few decades and carbs have exploded! i knew this LONG before i knew you, craig... like i've been trying to drum into your head, you can eat steak, eggs, butter, lard, cheese and your cholesterol and risk for heart disease will decrease, not increase! do you recall the drinking lard argument of ours???? exhibit a! If you work out the numbers, you come to the surreal conclusion that you can eat lard straight from the can and conceivably reduce your risk of heart disease. reduced risk doesn't mean MIMINMIZED risk. imho, the zone suggestions for fat are MUCH BETTER than drinking straight lard. you are entitled to a different opinion. like i have been saying, a bunch of berkeley liberals and the money grubbing processed food industry have an economic incentive to foist the poison they call food onto the american public. exhibit b! i KNEW carbs were cheap and had a long shelf life LONG before i KNEW you! Instead we ate more starches and refined carbohydrates, because calorie for calorie, these are the cheapest nutrients for the food industry to produce, and they can be sold at the highest profit you forgot longest shelf life, but i'll forgive ya. "An economist pulled him aside, he said, and gave him a lesson on market disincentives to healthy eating: ''He said if you create a new market with a brand-new manufactured food, give it a brand-new fancy name, put a big advertising budget behind it, you can have a market all to yourself and force your competitors to catch up. You can't do that with fruits and vegetables. It's harder to differentiate an apple from an apple.'' i've always suggsted one gets the vast majority of their carbos from veggies and fruits - it just makes sense. remember our argument about ketosis? your hero dr sears said it was extremely dangerous blah, blah, blah. what did i tell you? dr sears and you were confusing ketosis with ketoacidosis! ketosis is a perfectly benign state and is not harmful. exhibit c! "When I interviewed ketosis experts, however, they universally sided with Atkins, and suggested that maybe the medical community and the media confuse ketosis with ketoacidosis, a variant of ketosis that occurs in untreated diabetics and can be fatal. so, a variant of ketosis can kill some people - just as i suggested. i never said ketosis kills all people. rather, i said it can kill some JUST AS THESE EXPERTS STATE. remember when you insisted that carbos are needed to fuel the brain and i told you not necessarily? i never said NEEDED. IF the atkins diet was so good, one would expect TOP FLIGHT ATHLETES to be using it to great success, right? the ZONE, designed by BARRY SEARS, has many more successfull top flight athletes than does atkins. DOES ATKINS EVEN HAVE ONE? you couldn't name one before. that ketones are actually a preferred source of fuel for the brain? well looky here! once again i wasn't filling you full of bullshit! next exhibit! Rather than being poison, which is how the press often refers to ketones, they make the body run more efficiently and provide a backup fuel source for the brain. backup fuel, craig? secondary source of fuel for the brain craig? what might the PRIMARY fuel be, according to YOUR CITED EXPERTS? carbohydrates used in moderation - just as i suggested? -rotflmao- Veech calls ketones ''magic'' and has shown that both the heart and brain run 25 percent more efficiently on ketones than on blood sugar. where are all the elite athletes on atkins? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE? this guy implies atkins will give one 25% more - WHEN, IN FACT, IT DOESN'T. it is very inefficient for you body to manufacture ketones compared to using th ready made carbohydrates (preferrably fruits and veggies, not pasta, potatoes, candy, etc...). the nonexistence of elite athlete data wrt to the atkins diet proves this. get on the atkins diet and one's performance suffers compared to moderate protein, moderate carbos and moderate fats - with monounsaturated fats being the best type to add to one's diet to compliment the saturated fats consumed when eating one's protein. in conclusion... ketones... provide a backup fuel source for the brain [with glucose from carbos being the primary fuel]