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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (143823)	7/16/2002 9:16:19 PM
From: craig crawford	Respond to of 164684

>> not by name. but the guy mentioned he added in moderate levels of fruits and vegetables and this VERY CLOSE to the zone diet. << what a joke! practically every diet on the planet advocates fruits and vegetables! does that mean they are all zone favorable? dr atkins adds in moderate levels of fruit and vegetables i his diet. moderate amounts of fruit and veggies do not automatically mean zone favorable. >> based on the description, that speculation is quite reasonable. << it's quite reasonable to you because it suits your argument. the diet probably keeps all the egg yolks and immediately becomes disqualified frok being a zone-favorable diet. after all, if it was a zone favorable diet, why didn't the guy just say so? i'm sure since he is aware of atkins he is aware of the zone as well. >> first, atkins is MUCH more popular than the zone. << in one breath you say that the zone is more popular with epinion, now you're saying atkins is more popular. which is it? >> who really value the value of just being extreme << perhaps some folks really value the value of always trying to be moderate. they have no confidence n absolute truths, so they hem and haw and hedge their bets by parking themselves right in the middle. boring and safe. whatever floats your boat! >> no, the data shows that atkins doesn't support peak athletic performance - and in this view, the data is crystal clear. << you are such a liar. go find me your proof that the atkins plan doesn't support peak performance. don't give me a celebrity endorsement or an epinion, give me some scientific proof. we've already seen proof that low-carb, higher fat diets are more optimal. dr sears even admitted as much in his own book. he just didn't want to admit that the carbs were lower than on his plan, because then what would we need his pkan for? he conveniently didn't give us the figure. >> IF atkins provided an edge, they be all over it like white on rice the way many athletes are on the zone. they aren't b/c it doesn't. those are the facts. don't shoot the messenger << i told you you imbecile, that for athletes who burn gobbs of calories and train hard, the zone is just copying atkins anyway! the atkins plan provided the flexibility for athletes long before the zone was ever published, minus the bonehead advice like avoid butter and eggs. for peak performance athletes who have no need to lose weight, atkins is probably very similar to the zone, minus a fdew dumb ideas sears got into his head. or perhaps i should rephrase it a bit. the zome is just like atkins for athletes. trouble is, the zone is inflexible so the zone isn't good for millions of severely insulin resistant americans who will not lose much weight eating 40% carbs. so you can claim that the zone is peak performance tested all you want. i won't necessarily disagree with you. it's just that atkins is performance tailored for EVERYONE, not just the miniscule top athletes out there. i'd be willing to bet that i can find top athletes who fall right within the guidelines of the atkis diet. i'm just not going to waste my time looking for them because it proves nothing. some of the top athletes are vegetarians! does that make it a superior diet to atkins? hardly? this is the logic i am dealing with here. according to skeeter if a diet doesn't have a cadre of adherents promoting a diet in the public eye it must not support peak performance! >> actually, that is a terrible description of the zone diet. go do some homework to get it right. << this coming from a person who needed a little education about the zone himself. apparently you have forgot all the misconceptions of yours i had to correct, even by quoting dr sears himself! this from a person who can't even spell atkins name right but claims to know all about the diet's shortcomings! >> actually, his diet helps folks win gold medals. has the atknins diet helped anybody even become an olympian, let alone show they ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD? DOH! << there are probably gold medalists who have been eating a diet very similar to atkins without even realizing it! dr atkins is just not an endorsement hound who sells books based upon some celebrity endorsements. he deals with science and healing people. >> i thought those differences were HUGE and designed to hide the truth of eating to get adherents? please keep your story straight. << the differences between the zone and atkins are huge except when it comes to performance athletes who can easily afford to eat more carbs than the average couch potato. no contradiction here. just some clarification needed. >> no gold medal winners ever followed his diet, right? ha ha! << i wouldn't know, i don't waste my time looking for them as some sort of comfort to support my diet.