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To: TimF who wrote (148477)	7/17/2002 11:49:00 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578704

In spite of the fact, that we have signed some of these laws, we now are above them and not subject to them? What a bunch of elistist crap! The author doesn't think England or France or Germany have documents comparable to the Bill of Rts.? Well, he needs to think again? This American chauvinism is absurd.......and you wonder why other countries are critical! England doesn't have something equivilent to the bill of rights. They have traditions, and ordinary laws protecting people's rights but probably not quite to the extent that our constitution does. Also the ordinary laws can be thrown out by another odinary law. I know some people in England are upset about how the EC has thrown out some English law, so America is not unique in being concerned about international bodies potentially having too much control. What control do these treaties have over us........we did not give up our nationality or our rights. Its seem to me that this is a new level of paranoia. I don't understand how we can be so powerful and yet there are so many who worry about our sovereignty. They have their own I don't know if Germany has a written constitution and bill of rights. We might have pushed one on them after WWII. In any case I'm not sure I understand your point. The fact that England or Germany could potentially have their rights eroded by treaties doesn't mean that the US has less to worry about, in fact if it happens to other countries it shows that the worry is not unfounded. So now you're suggesting we need to stop signing treaties in general. That alliances and finding common ground is not good for us? I don't understand. As for signing agreements thats is not enough unless they are ratified. A lot of the agreements that we get bashed for not following have not been ratified and thus are not binding on the US. The other problem is that the treaties could weaken our constitutional protections. Sure we would have to sign and ratify them if they are to become law in the US, but it is a lot simplier and easier to sign and ratify a treaty then it is to pass a constitutional ammendment. All you have to do is get the president and a two-thirds majority of the senate, not two thirds of both houses of congress, plus the president, and three fourths of the state legislatures. Treaties effect our behavior internationally and not within our borders. Therefore as far as I can see, there is no injury to our constitution. Is this a threat? How is acknowledging the military superiority of the US a threat? ? What specifically do you not understand? Of late, the conservative voice whether its coming from the Nat. Review or Coulter or some other conservative media outlet keeps bringing this issue up. And its usually in the context of....we don't have to do this or that because we are the most powerful nation in the world. The consistency at which this issue is brought up makes me think there is a message wanting to be said. ted