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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: rich4eagle who wrote (277102)	7/17/2002 5:51:46 PM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Rich, The rich did not prosper at the expense of the poor. As the gap between the rich, and the rest of America has grown, the number of Americans living below the level of poverty was moving to all time lows. What needs to be realized, is that this is not a zero sum game . Anyway, I think this gap has been growing slowly, since JFK. During the 80's and 90's, the average household income in America has grown versus the much of the rest of the world. For instance, in 1987, the per capita GDP in Sweden was $19,356, in France it was $19,008, and in the United States it was $25,806. In 1998, per capita income: in Sweden was $21,218, France was $22,225, and the United States was $32,413. Further, if you look at a comparison of these countries, you will see that the rate of unemployment in most european countries has gone up in comparison to the United States.

To: rich4eagle who wrote (277102)	7/17/2002 7:40:41 PM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Re: "Well, surely you must know that the rich prospered significantly in the 80's and 90's at the expense of the poor" Sorry, that is not a sure premise at all, and while I "know" that it is the story from the left, I don't find it to be accurate. Re: "Also, I would think it is quite foolish to consider 90 per cent of the people poor" Seems to me I allowed that 90% might be called "little guys, not poor." Hell, I don't consider hardly anyone in this country to be poor, relative to the world and History, anyway. Right on brother, concerning the flat tax. Hey though, what's that you say about business expensess exceeding other peoples incomes? What's the point...no one, including other people with income, relish large business expenses....business expenses can drive folks to bancruptcy. Re: "........hmmmmmmm.........these guys below your cherish.." Now you are reaching, again, and pretending you know enough to state what I think or, that I think things which I do not, and certainly in no way expressed. Bad karma, dude. Re: "Are you talking about Bernie Ebbers, Kenny Boy, Dick Cheney, Martha Stewart, Dennis Koslowski, Joseph Nacchio, as fine examples of how corporate america is better at running things?" I was not, and cannot imagine why you would ever imagine I was, when I said suggested nothing of the kind. As for the suspected big lie, I can't believe you don't remember/admit to writing exactly what I said your wrote, in all essence. Whatever, I recall that the next day, instead of your prediction coming true, the Dow fell a few measly points, while there was a headline getting tech. rally on the Nasdaq. I lie not. Re: "And the facts are.......... Clinton 700 to 2700 on the NAZ, 3300 to 11000 on the Dow, Bush 2700 to 1370 on the NAZ and 11000 to 8500 on the Dow, I guess these are just phoney numbers" Yes, of course those are phoney numbers. 2700 on the NAZ, eh? Did I say the market fell prior to Bush? You were trying to refute that? Sorry, the NAZ had been at 5000, So I guess it managed to go from over 5000 down to 2700 prior to Bush. Why wouldn't you just admit to the truth, I'll never understand. It is exactly this kind of failure to notice reality on your part that surely makes even honest Democrat observers re-coil from your posts in disgust. Lastly, what, you have a problem with the notion that past actions have future consequences? It doesn't take a genius to understand there is no problem with that concept at all. Dan B