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To: Bilow who wrote (34635)	7/18/2002 10:55:26 PM
From: Tony McFadden	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The universal human response to defeat is submission ...collectively a people may respond with submission, but individually, many people respond with defiance. When the critical mass of defiant people outweigh the submissive, there are uprisings. The key to strong leadership is to maintain this level of defiance in your followers regardless of the size of the defeat. In regimes -- like Saddam's -- the dictatorship/despotism form of "leadership" is not one that inspires defiance in the face of strong opposition. It is a leadership born of fear and cannot withstand massive losses. Churchill, by truly leading, (lying, in some cases, about the reality of the situation) inspired collective defiance in the face of what other groups may have considered untenable odds. Tony

To: Bilow who wrote (34635)	7/19/2002 6:53:21 AM
From: Elsewhere	Respond to of 281500

(1) There was zero love for the US in Germany at the end of WW2. If you have doubts about this fact, ask someone with relatives in Dresden. Any German town liberated by the US army was glad. Dresden was the achievement of "Bomber Harris", a Brit. spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk US troops were holding some areas in Thuringia, Saxony and Western Pomerania which were arranged to belong to the Soviet zone. The inhabitants would have loved to keep the US troops but were forced under Russian occupation. bpb.de they will surrender to whoever is there with the gun, good or bad. That is my theory, and it explains nicely why the East Germans did not revolt against the Russians in the immediate years after WW2. (They did more or less rise up in 1953, but that was 8 years after the war and rather half hearted.) Half-heartedly? If you have a stone in your hand, a tank is rolling towards you and you decide to run it's half-hearted? If people disappear in concentration-camp-like institutions or Siberia it doesn't instill an atmosphere of terror? lycee-international.com home.datacomm.ch republikasilesia.com When Churchill said "In Defeat: Defiance", he lied, I wouldn't call it a lie. I assume that he chose the word "defeat" only for a linguistic purpose - to get an alliteration. I have always read it as "under attack: defiance" but this interpretation doesn't sound as good.