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To: quehubo who wrote (15298)7/19/2002 11:13:37 PM
From: Warpfactor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23153
 
Que,

I've made it pretty clear in the past that I like tech stocks off the bottom of major plunges, because they reverse hard and fast and money can be made.

Other than that, I have no interest at this time to buy and hold techs for 12 months. I do not think we are in a B and H environment right now.

But to defend tech companies - many have spotless balance sheet with zero LT debt. They make stuff, they sell stuff. Many of the SOX have been through peaks and troughs all through their existence, storing nuts for the hard times and cutting costs during those troughs.

Your statement seems to associate the KLACs, AMATs, CYs, COMSs of the world with ENE, WCOM, ADLAE, et. al.



To: quehubo who wrote (15298)7/20/2002 2:17:45 AM
From: whitepine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23153
 
Warp,
You asked for thoughts. Maybe the simple thoughts of a simple mind might offer a different perspective. Have been painting my home all day, so I’ll continue to use the broad brush of generalizations.

Things have changed, qualitatively, IMO.
1. B+H investors have been creamed. Back to square 1997 for today. Monday, who knows, but with preview of Barrons calling for 7400, I am glad to 80% cash and 20% MAGFX (about 5% net gain since recent buys at 9.75) and PFOAX (which has done nothing in same time period.)
2. Within last week or so, received a detailed commentary about market strategy from major brokerage. Recommended 70% stocks. Of course, I am not, but let us assume a good % of their clients are that deep, with 20% bonds, and perhaps 10% cash. Now, when I received this, Dow was about 9000-9100, and at that time, buying seemed reasonable. So how much $ do these investor’s have to BUY at today’s current ‘bargain’ levels? Clearly, the aggregate is not that great, IMO. Further, even if we discount their fear of a bear trap rally, and even if we discount new negative news items (like J&J today), would it be prudent to assume they will rush back to the market. My guess is, No. Capital preservation of their remaining assets will remain a higher priority, especially after they think about declining IRA accounts. Most conservative investors will probably back away for awhile, 1-2 months at least, perhaps a year or more. Big turning point will be probably come after the Nov. elections and the question of war in Iraq is resolved. Best guess is there will be continued selling into strength, so I don’t anticipate, though I don’t dismiss, a big rally across all indexes until Nov.
3. To revitalize the markets to some major plateau above today’s close, a positive, major macro event must transpire. Such an event must be clear, compelling, and easy to understand for all investors. I don’t see such on the immediate horizon, other than a new price level of DOW 7000, or less. Thus, a downward bias will remain for some time, or until 7000 range.
4. Thinking about the macro events of tech since ’94 when I first got on the net. There was great hope, and great reason for hope as the net expanded, people bought IT products and companies ramped up for production. Now, the rationale for IT spending explosion has fundamentally evaporated. Thus, what might lead us to believe another epic story will capture the imagination of investors for 3 years or more? Can’t imagine one. Thus, no tidal wave of new investments is about to transpire across the broad tech sector. It will take a long time for the gross over-investment in tech to be rationalized. Further, companies with new investment ideas will find the task of raising capital difficult. IMO, the tech story since ’94 was a classic case of over-investment and it will take longer to rationalize than many think.
5. Thanks to a trail of contemporaneous reports of Commander Cricket, I believe tech is going to sink further. Isolated exceptions, of course, but can one pick the winners? Doubt it. Even if we can pick the winners, won’t their PE compress as the market declines? Yes, I think so. Thus, even if you have or can pick winners in the future, you’re risking the 3M story. Today, on no news I could find, it declined 7%. CVX down 5.34%, while XOM was down 6.9% and AHC, sporting a PE below 9, declined 4.45%. Even GE was clipped for more than 4%. Point is, there may be even fewer great story stocks that won’t decline with broader market averages. If a nifty trader can win in this environment, great, but if the Dow can rise 400 pts in a ½ hour, it can fall that fast as well. Will PE compression continue below 14? If so, how far? Suspect from a technical view, not much. However if car sales decline by 25%, unemployment rises to 6-8%, 14 might look very expensive.
6. Housing bubble will burst only if and as unemployment increases 2% or more. New construction will probably decline, but I don’t anticipate a decline in broad base of prices until many thousands are forced out of their homes by declining incomes/unemployment. Of equal concern is potential for decline in auto sales. If sales fall, the correlated side effects will be great! IMO, big question is negative wealth effect and its impact on new car sales.
7. Betting the USD will continue to decline against the major currencies. Current account deficit is too great, etc., and foreigner’s will continue to sell dollar-denominated assets. Don’t know of a situation where any nation could turn the forex market, so markets rule. Will USD reach 1.05 to 1 Euro? Probably. What will be upper range? Don’t know. 1.15 would not surprise me, but the big variable will be the issue of Iraq and the potential of a total disaster throughout the ME if things unravel in ways we fail to anticipate.
8. IMO, losses of pension funds will be a huge issue going forward. How will derivatives and hedges unwind? No way to know, but it could get even more ugly than we might anticipate. How will 3rd world debt issues unfold? Argentina, Brazil, etc., ? Not optimistic but seems reasonable to assume a major dislocation will contribute to world economic problems.
9. Risk events of some form of terrorism? To answer Dirty Harry, “I’m not felling lucky.” To me, this poses a huge risk to anyone who doesn’t watch the trading screen 24/7, especially for 401’s that can’t be liquidated in a moment’s notice.
10. Falling knives have both velocity and mass. Looking to buy at 7000. When and if time arrives, will 6000 look even more tempting? And the impact on the NAS if companies are forced to expense stock options? I’m certain others were thinking the same when NAS fell from 5K to 2K. As US debt increases, medical costs continue to escalate, and imports become more expensive, I’m merely trying to assess the range of objective realities going forward. Yes, there is a ton of money on the sidelines, but this has been the story for more months than I can remember.

Regards,

whitepine



To: quehubo who wrote (15298)7/20/2002 5:49:38 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 23153
 
7/19/02: Market Monitor-James Stack, President of Investech Research

PAUL KANGAS: My guest Market Monitor is James Stack, President of Investech Research based in Whitefish, Montana. Welcome back, Jim.

JAMES STACK, PRESIDENT, INVESTECH RESEARCH: Thank you, Paul. It's great to be talking to you again.

KANGAS: You were one of the few market letter writers who warned over two years ago the market was a huge bubble about to burst and when it did the aftermath would be painful. Here we are.

STACK: Well --

KANGAS: But --

STACK: That's right. In a way I regret being right because the pain out there has been far more serious than anyone anticipated.

KANGAS: Well, it shows you have empathy. But I must say, on your last visit with us in early February, you said you saw some of the building blocks of a new bull market being put into place. I think those blocks are probably just dust now.

STACK: Well, they certainly are. We've began to seeing the crumbling about two months ago. And there's a serious question whether or not the Federal Reserve is losing control. When you pop a valuation bubble in a stock market, it carries long-term repercussions. And we've wiped out $6.5 trillion on Wall Street. That's more than the entire U.S. stock market was worth just six years ago. So I think the Federal Reserve is making a mistake of underestimating that impact.

KANGAS: Would you recommend they lower rates further?

STACK: I think that's certainly in the cards. If I were Alan Greenspan, the first thing I would do is sit down, realize that I made a mistake back in the late '90s but not addressing the bubble, even though it was openly debated in Federal Reserve meetings, and I'd realize today that we're really in uncharted territory. Never before has the bear market continued to hit new lows after the end of a recession. And yet that's exactly what's happening today. I think it really raises a question whether the recession is over. In addition, if you look at consumer sentiment numbers, which were released last week, it shows the consumers' plans looking six months down the road just took the tenth biggest drop in 50 years.

KANGAS: So you're saying --

STACK: And that has us worried.

KANGAS: You're saying we're going to have a double dip recession, in essence.

STACK: Well, the evidence from Wall Street, from consumer confidence, has us worried, and it should have Alan Greenspan more worried.

KANGAS: And the market could be a partial cause of that, the way it's going. Do you see any signs of a bottom here?

STACK: From a short-term standpoint, we're extremely oversold. There's a lot of pessimism out there. But unfortunately when you, as I said, when you pop a bubble, it's hard to predict where the bottom is. And this has gone on a lot longer than we expected. This is already the longest bear market in the past 60 years. In fact, the loss year to date for the S&P 500 Index is the worst since 1932.

KANGAS: Have we ever had a bear market going on when economic recovery is supposedly going on?

STACK: Not immediately after a recession.

KANGAS: OK.

STACK: And I think that's the message that Alan Greenspan has to focus on.

KANGAS: When you were with us February you gave us DENTSPLY (XRAY), Washington Mutual (WM) and EnCana (ECA). And those stocks as a total are up about two percent, which is really terrific compared to what the general market has done. Are you still with any of those stocks?

STACK: Well, you're right. It's a rarity to find any stocks that have gone up. It's basically value and cash out there right now. We're still holding Washington Mutual in our managed accounts. But we're not doing…

KANGAS: Any new recommendations here?

STACK: Yes, on our shopping list right now, WPS Resources (WPS), a conservative utility. Also, Dole Foods (DOL). We're not buying them now. Our managed accounts, we have moved back to over 60 percent cash.

KANGAS: And those stocks that you mentioned on your shopping list, do you or our company own any of these?

STACK: No, not at this time.

KANGAS: OK. So, you said we could have a short-term bottom. Would it be a worthwhile rally to participate in or just another basically bull trap?

STACK: I don't think I would be bottom fishing out there, not until we have firm evidence that a bottom's in place. Watch the number of stocks hitting new nearly lows. It should drop to fewer than 12 on a daily basis. Right now, preservation comes first.

KANGAS: All right. So you're 60 percent in cash at this time?

STACK: That's right.

KANGAS: With a shopping list, but not taking action as yet.

STACK: A growing shopping list as the values appear.

KANGAS: OK, Jim, thanks very much for being with us again.

STACK: Always my pleasure, Paul.

KANGAS: My guest Market Monitor, Jim Stack, President of Investech Research.