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Politics : The Palestinian Hoax -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (1850)	7/20/2002 1:27:19 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

Dear Nazi de Leon, You must be a nazi too... GZ

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (1850)	7/20/2002 1:33:14 PM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

EARTH TO .... A very nasty video guardian.co.uk Bin Laden gives the game away Friday December 14, 2001 The Guardian Short of hearing the chief suspect give a full confession for the attacks in person in open court, the remarkable new video footage of Osama bin Laden is as close as the world is now likely to get to finding a man holding the smoking gun for the deeds of September 11. "They were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes." Then comes the coldest-hearted of all the remarks: "We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy who would be killed." "Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for." The video tells us about other things than Bin Laden's probable guilt, however. When one has got past the thought that the most wanted man in the world is willing to discuss his crimes with Saudi visitors armed only with a video camera, the next most striking thing is how firmly the conversation is saturated in religious fanaticism, in the world of the imagination and in very specific Saudi preoccupations. Bin Laden speaks in riddles, rhymes and religious verses, but his final words - "We will not stop our raids until you free our lands" - are a reminder that his agenda is not focused as much on attacking America as on getting the Americans out of Saudi Arabia. Nevertheless, this video is likely to help undermine Bin Laden's reputation in the Muslim world as well as to further blacken it in the already hostile west. Muslims who were confident that the case against Bin Laden was just a flimsy excuse for American aggression, and that the true perpetrators of September 11 were the Americans themselves, or the Israeli secret service, or anyone but a Muslim - and there were millions of such people from Luton to Lahore - will find those fantasies that bit harder to sustain to themselves today. Those who are already in thrall to Bin Laden's mystique will brush these difficulties aside. But there is no reason to believe that the average rational Muslim will not be just as persuaded by the evidence of the video as the average rational non-Muslim.

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (1850)	7/20/2002 3:32:30 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3467

From all I can ascertain about this Israeli filming story: 1) In New Jersey, near an apartment building, a neighbor saw 5 middle-eastern looking men filming the WTC on 911 on a roof & acting in an excited manner. This neighbor called the police. 2) The men were arrested. They were not hardened Mossad agents (can you imagine the Mossad sending 5 young guys up to a roof to film the WTC from New Jersey and shout loudly in Hebrew?). 3) The FBI arrested the men, who turned out to be teenage (or barely above teenage) Israeli laborers--dark complexioned because Israeli illegal laborers tend to come from the sephardic group. Like the Mexican or Dominican illegals the INS catches in NY or NJ, they had phony documents. They said they were shouting to each other in Hebrew about what was happening before their eyes--they told the FBI they were neither laughing nor happy; two said they had friends who worked in the vicinity of the Trade Center and were agitated about this. 4) The FBI checked out their story. Israeli moving men are not uncommon in NY and NJ. They were not charged with any crime & were deported to Israel. 5) It is estimated that there are dozens of videos taken of the WTC on that day from rooftops and windows. One man, who had a particularly good view from his top floor apartment on N. Moore Street in lower Manhattan, sells copies of his film on Ebay. Propaganda sites have twisted and exploited the hell out of this "incident", as they have also the totally insane story that thousands of Jews were instructed by Israel not to report to work at the World Trade Center that day.