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Strategies & Market Trends : Zeev's Turnips - No Politics -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Jack Clarke who wrote (96632)7/21/2002 10:13:01 AM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 99280
 
Jack, I see a lot of people suggesting that if the fed's raised margin requirements, it would have somehow "stopped" the bubble from forming. I don't see that the margin requirement had much to do with the bubble, now that most stocks can be bought on margins of less than 10% through the options market, why even use margins? I think that they did not act on the margins for that reason. I really don't know if there was a good way to stop the bubble, Greenspan could have chosen to tighten during three periods, the Asian Malaise, the Russian and LTM malaise and the pre Y2K malaise. In each case, he chose to provide liquidity in order to avoid freezing of financial markets. It is difficult to say what would have been better, if he acted on each of these events to lean against the bubble vs trying to avoid freezing of the financial markets, the results could have been a immediate and drastic deflation in financial markets world wide, such a rapid dislocation could have precipitated a world wide depression. He chose the more gradual way of giving the market years to come back to more rational levels (and that process is still ongoing), such a gradual adjustment, while painful to "da bulls", will not cause a sudden 10% to 20% decrease in world GDP, and will not be associated with much excessive human misery. The current "soft landing" approach, which really, so far has not even caused a net decrease in GDP YOY, seems a better long term choice. The thought of the alternative to what he did (the alternative being 10% plus unemployment in most developed countries, and even worse conditions in under developed countries and a period of sub par growth of 10 years or more) sends shivers in my back, it could have actually resulted in massive social unrest in many countries and even major conflagrations and the associated misery to untold millions, the good old super cyclical capitalism at work. With that in mind, I would rather go through the process of gradual readjustment of the markets though a slow grinding multi year secular bear market with two to four relatively mild recessions, allowing economic growth (and eventually corporate profits), though "unspectacular", to bring back a balance between value and prices in the markets.

Zeev



To: Jack Clarke who wrote (96632)7/21/2002 10:13:47 AM
From: Joseph Beltran  Respond to of 99280
 
One of the things that truly, truly amazes me is to see how much destruction in the average person's wealth it takes before lawmakers even begin to try to do the right thing in terms of going after the executive crooks. It just shows us how pervasive the bribery and corruption in our system is....we'll have to go another 40% down before they even start thinking seriously of expensing options..
the unmitigated gall of bernie ebbers to sit there and arrogantly profess and proclaim his innocence and then proceed to cop the 5th...this is the first time in my lifetime that I have felt outright pessimistic about our childrens' future.



To: Jack Clarke who wrote (96632)7/21/2002 11:50:11 AM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 99280
 
The Lewinsky matter was simply a lightning rod--no pun intended--for a lot of other things that served as blood in the water. The number of Clinton's moral and legal lapses prior to Monica-Gate inflamed his enemies. We all know what they are so there's no reason to repeat them here. Monica simply was the straw that his enemies thought would break the camel's back.

In this sense, it is fatuous to talk about Monica. The affair was merely the fusion point for a lot of other, more bothersome, things.