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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (704)	7/22/2002 12:21:04 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3959

...the Israelis are not feeling too safe at the moment. Hopefully the world such as the UN will be able to fully empathize with that and be able to establish a buffer zone. Yes indeed there is a psychotic culture which has gained ground in the last 7 to 10 years or so. From what I hear from my friends in the Arabic and Asian world, there is turmoil within the Muslim world especially the Arabic Muslims. It is not as if all the Muslims and the Arabic Muslims in particular are speaking in a single voice about beating up non-Muslims, terror etc. etc.. I am sure that the moderate and saner voices amongst them will prevail. And to help the moderate ones, we need to refrain from such acts as territorial aggression, denigrating the religion etc. I am sure the US realizes that, Powell in particular. I think Goldsnow also raised a relevant issue about the Middle East Christians being beaten up politically along with the Jews. By the way, seeing your ardent support for the Jewish cause and having the background in the State of Israel history, I am curious about your take on Shimon Peres's current efforts to talk to the Palestenian leadership, Saeb Erakat in particular. I know that Erakat has to toe the line of Arafat and hence comes across the way he is when he is on the talk show circuit. But I think he has the potential to be a true leader and partner of Israel if he should be put in Arafat's spot. I am not so sure about Hannan Ashrawi though.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (704)	7/22/2002 1:52:55 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Now, the Saudis have said that they will (cough, cough, sort of) recognize Israel if it withdraws to the 1967 borders. For several decades, Saudi Arabia has explicitly said they would give Israel full recognition if it obeys international law (UN 242). In fact, Saudi Arabia led an initiative in this regard over 20 years ago, the Fahd Peace Plan of 1981. Israel responded by calling it a "peace offensive" and by sending fighter jets over Saudi oil fields. but of course, if they had agreed to this after 1967, when Israel did offer the territories back and got the three noes of Khartoum Conference -- no peace. no recognition. no negotiation -- this could have been settled long since. Israel has never offered the territories back. It is Israel's insistence on keeping the West Bank and Jerusalem that has been the source of conflict for the past 3 decades. Regarding Khartoum: Odd Bull was the Chief of Staff of UN forces in the Middle East. At the end of his tenure, he was "lavished with praise by Israelis for his impartiality". "He suggests that it was Israel's openly avowed determination to annex the conquered territories that accounted for the rhetorical excesses at Khartoum." * Note also that the Khartoum declarations did not seem to faze Israel in 1977, when it negotiated a peace with Egypt, after rejecting the identical peace offer in 1971. What happened between 1971 and 1977? The 1973 war, which demonstrated Egypt to be a potent military force. Tom * ( Image and Reality p. 152 )