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To: Boplicity who wrote (8323)7/23/2002 9:16:11 AM
From: im a survivor  Respond to of 13815
 
<<I keep thinking about all that old money getting scared. Let me tell you, there is a lot of old money left in the market still from all over the world!>>

What about the "New Money"......I would imagine there are plenty of folks that missed the big bull run, that have cash and are thinking maybe soon would be a good time to buy equities.......in fact, a buddy of mine, who knows nothing about stocks and has never been involved with them, recently called me and said " Keith, I have some cash I need to do something with and I mentioned to my wife that as bad as stocks are getting hit maybe we should buy some...what do you think"....He has been listening to the radio talk shows in which financial gurus have been saying we are at levels unseen in 5 years, and if you believe in the long term aspect of things, now might not be a bad time to nibble.....anyway, I told him those same gurus were saying to nibble a year ago, and those that did, and have not averaged down as we have gone down, are deep underwater...so he shouldnt listen to the "guru's".......My advice was simple......buy only quality....buy it slowly on big red days, and always keep cash reserves handy to buy more if it goes down further...but keep an eye on company specific news to see if you should be buying or selling.....and of course, he said he has a 25 year time horizon, so thats why I said, start nibbling, but dont go to the buffet line quite yet....could be more downside.....but for somebody wanting in equities, and who has a 25 year time horizon, I dont think it's a bad idea to nibble at select stocks....most of the stocks I own, I started buying at much higher levels.....but, being able to average down has kept my cost basis relatively low on most of my holdings...so nibbling as we go down seems to be working ok....I am building nice positions in some good companies, and I am keeping my cost basis low enough so that I dont need Naz 3500 to get out even....but, I sure would not mind seeing naz at 3500 or old highs of 5000+...I'm 38 and doubt naz will see 5500 in my lifetime...and a buddy just back from climbing in Vegas...well, outiside of Vegas, but very close buy...said they were in one joint that had odds on the freakin stock market....you could bet whether, and/or, how long, before dow, naz, s&p reach this level, or that level and etc......He said he heard people complaining to the management saying they were going to reprt them to the AG and the Gaming Authority....can't blame them...all we need is for them to allow betting in vegas as to what the markets will do....like the market needs anything else to help pull or push it.....and I think we all know there are some unscrupulous people in the Gaming Industry, and we have enough of that on wallstreet as it is.....sure, lets add to the problem......scary.......



To: Boplicity who wrote (8323)7/23/2002 12:11:34 PM
From: MulhollandDrive  Respond to of 13815
 
STOCKS AND WAR
by Doug Casey

Back in the April 2001, I remember commenting that since
everyone, including myself, was getting pretty bearish,
we were likely due for a nice strong rally - which we
got. Then the events of 9/11 occurred.

After the initial plunge that resulted when the market
reopened, stocks have been up strongly. In fact, the
majority of commentators are calling for a resumption of
the late, great bull market. It's not an entirely
irrational sentiment. If you trace the history of
America's wars relative to its stock market, what stands
out is that betting against America has always been a
losing proposition. Since at least WWI, the market
usually gets quite weak at the start of a conflict, due
to a natural uncertainty about both the government's
response and the eventual outcome. But history tells us
that it's smart to buy stocks after the initial sell-
off.

For example, the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 2.9%
on the first trading day after the Pearl Harbor attack,
and another 11% over the next four months. That's
surprisingly little, in view of the beating that
Americans - and all the allies - were taking on
virtually every front. But, despite a bad start, the Dow
not only went on to return 20% in 1942, but doubled over
the next three years as the war drew to a close.

War, at least in the past, has always seemed good for
the economy and the market for at least three reasons:
First, "winning" is Pyrrhic if you're left in the state
of Britain or France after either World War. However,
America has not only always triumphed, but it has done
so without taking serious damage. Second, war has helped
America to spread its culture around the globe, and
aided its businesses in gaining market share. I have
real reservations on how wise that methodology will
prove to be in the long run, but that's another subject.

Three, since the creation of the Fed in 1913, wars have
been financed largely through inflation. And,
notwithstanding all the damage inflation does, that new
purchasing media do find their way into shares, driving
them higher. So it's understandable that people are used
to thinking that not only is war "the health of the
State" (correct), but that it's the health of the
economy and the market as well (incorrect).

Another factor behind the post-9/11 strength lies in the
fact that we've had the biggest bull market in history
since the bottom in 1982. If there's one thing people
have learned over at least the last decade, it's to buy
on dips. And, although the stealth bear market of the
last three years (prominently including the wipeout of
high tech issues) has shaken that faith, the true
believers haven't yet been turned into agnostics, much
less apostates.

It's going to take years before the psychological
expectations that were built up over the last decade to
wash away. We're not likely to get the final bottom
until everyone is so utterly fed-up with the stock
market that nobody is looking for a bottom - and nobody
will care when it arrives.

The big difference between the market now and that of
1941, however, is simply value. After Pearl Harbor it
dropped so little because it was still at depression-era
levels. That's totally the opposite of today's
situation. And, after a while, it was fairly clear how
and when the Axis would be defeated. Whereas now it's
completely unclear not only how and when the enemy will
be defeated (notwithstanding the surprisingly quick
collapse of al Qaida in Afghanistan), but even exactly
who the enemy really is. I believe, therefore, that
we're still in the early stages of what is likely to
prove one of the worst bear markets of all time.

How long and deep will this bear market be? Nobody has a
crystal ball. But the stock market fluctuates around a
mean established by fundamental values, alternately
going above and below the trend line. Based on how high
it's run in recent years, I suspect we'll see something
a lot more ugly and traumatic than just a bear market in
stocks before it's over. Stocks, bonds, the dollar and
the economy itself are likely to get whacked in a way
you see only once in a lifetime. If you're lucky.
There's every chance we're looking at the Greater
Depression, and I suspect it's going to be worse than
even I think.

It occurs to me that the next few years may present a
true test of the Austrian school of economic thought, of
which I'm a proponent. One of its tenets is that a
credit-driven boom must, inevitably, be followed by a
roughly proportionate downturn. And we've certainly had
a gigantic, credit-driven boom.

One other thought that's occurred to me recently is the
utter intangibility of stocks. Unless you're getting
dividends (which are sparse today), all you've really
got is a piece of paper, for which there may not even be
a market.

That thought will cross the minds of millions over the
next few years.

Doug Casey,
for the Daily Reckoning



To: Boplicity who wrote (8323)7/23/2002 1:25:00 PM
From: David Weis  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
B ---

This is not extreme enough....but I "feel" that the DOW is getting close......

Yesterday's action needs to be repeated at least once.



To: Boplicity who wrote (8323)7/23/2002 5:09:33 PM
From: brightness00  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13815
 
Be wary of what you personally consider extreme:

Message 15198666

Jim