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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (183016)7/24/2002 1:52:49 PM
From: Gut Trader  Respond to of 436258
 
Putnum shill pumping variable annuities and everglades swamp land



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (183016)7/24/2002 1:54:03 PM
From: JBTFD  Respond to of 436258
 
From the New York Times:

Who Really Cooks the Books?
By WARREN E. BUFFETT

OMAHA — There is a crisis of confidence today about corporate earnings reports and the credibility of chief executives. And it's justified.

For many years, I've had little confidence in the earnings numbers reported by most corporations. I'm not talking about Enron and WorldCom — examples of outright crookedness. Rather, I am referring to the legal, but improper, accounting methods used by chief executives to inflate reported earnings.

The most flagrant deceptions have occurred in stock-option accounting and in assumptions about pension-fund returns. The aggregate misrepresentation in these two areas dwarfs the lies of Enron and WorldCom.

In calculating the pension costs that directly affect their earnings, companies in the Standard & Poor's index of 500 stocks are today using assumptions about investment return rates that go as high as 11 percent. The rate chosen is important: in many cases, an upward change of a single percentage point will increase the annual earnings a company reports by more than $100 million. It's no surprise, therefore, that many chief executives opt for assumptions that are wildly optimistic, even as their pension assets perform miserably. These C.E.O.'s simply ignore this unpleasant reality and their obliging actuaries and auditors bless whatever rate the company selects. How convenient: Client A, using a 6.5 percent rate, receives a clean audit opinion — and so does client B, which opts for an 11 percent rate.

All that is bad, but the far greater sin has been option accounting. Options are a huge cost for many corporations and a huge benefit to executives. No wonder, then, that they have fought ferociously to avoid making a charge against their earnings. Without blushing, almost all C.E.O.'s have told their shareholders that options are cost-free.

For these C.E.O.'s I have a proposition: Berkshire Hathaway will sell you insurance, carpeting or any of our other products in exchange for options identical to those you grant yourselves. It'll all be cash-free. But do you really think your corporation will not have incurred a cost when you hand over the options in exchange for the carpeting? Or do you really think that placing a value on the option is just too difficult to do, one of your other excuses for not expensing them? If these are the opinions you honestly hold, call me collect. We can do business.

Chief executives frequently claim that options have no cost because their issuance is cashless. But when they do so, they ignore the fact that many C.E.O.'s regularly include pension income in their earnings, though this item doesn't deliver a dime to their companies. They also ignore another reality: When corporations grant restricted stock to their executives these grants are routinely, and properly, expensed, even though no cash changes hands.

When a company gives something of value to its employees in return for their services, it is clearly a compensation expense. And if expenses don't belong in the earnings statement, where in the world do they belong?

To clean up their act on these fronts, C.E.O.'s don't need "independent" directors, oversight committees or auditors absolutely free of conflicts of interest. They simply need to do what's right. As Alan Greenspan forcefully declared last week, the attitudes and actions of C.E.O.'s are what determine corporate conduct.

Indeed, actions by Congress and the Securities and Exchange Commission have the potential of creating a smoke screen that will prevent real accounting reform. The Senate itself is the major reason corporations have been able to duck option expensing. On May 3, 1994, the Senate, led by Senator Joseph Lieberman, pushed the Financial Accounting Standards Board and Arthur Levitt, then chairman of the S.E.C., into backing down from mandating that options be expensed. Mr. Levitt has said that he regrets this retreat more than any other move he made during his tenure as chairman. Unfortunately, current S.E.C. leadership seems uninterested in correcting this matter.

I don't believe in Congress setting accounting rules. But the Senate opened the floodgates in 1994 to an anything-goes reporting system, and it should close them now. Rather than holding hearings and fulminating, why doesn't the Senate just free the standards board by rescinding its 1994 action?

C.E.O.'s want to be respected and believed. They will be — and should be — only when they deserve to be. They should quit talking about some bad apples and reflect instead on their own behavior.

Recently, a few C.E.O.'s have stepped forward to adopt honest accounting. But most continue to spend their shareholders' money, directly or through trade associations, to lobby against real reform. They talk principle, but, for most, their motive is pocketbook.

For their shareholders' interest, and for the country's, C.E.O.'s should tell their accounting departments today to quit recording illusory pension-fund income and start recording all compensation costs. They don't need studies or new rules to do that. They just need to act.

Warren E. Buffett is the chief executive officer of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., a diversified holding company.












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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (183016)7/24/2002 1:59:33 PM
From: Tommaso  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
"runs on the banks. "

The old-fashioned run of a bank resulted from the gold standard, when depositors would try to withdraw their money in gold--or holders of bank notes would demand payment in gold ("specie"--wasn't that what they called it?)

Since there's nothing but paper anyway now, it's hard to imagine lines of people demanding currency the way they used to demand gold. Even if the bank goes bust, the average depositor is covered.

I guess there could be some wrangling among claimants with larger uninsured desposits.

However, I do share your uneasiness that SOMETHING can happen to tie things up and bring discomfort even to prudent people. To judge from the stories in the newspapers, the stock markets are doing pretty well along that line. I think when the mass redemptions in mutual funds and pension fund start, that will be our "run." May already be in progress.



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (183016)7/24/2002 2:20:52 PM
From: Bill/WA  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
patron,
thanks for your thoughts re: puts & safety
Cuban on Box. Basically said the same when on CNNfn yesterday. Owns NO stock and is short. Same examples of tech overvaluation - INTC and AMAT as examples. Looking for stocks that pay a decent dividend, none in tech, government should eliminate tax on dividends to enhance the market with solid companies, those who depended on stock appreciation had to sell them at the right time to realize a profit(and who knows that better than him).(Wish he would explain that to Greenspud in relation to housing values), and last, but the best, Long Term Buy & Hold was a great scam played on the individual investor. You should have seen Gabelli's face. -g-