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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (13090)	7/24/2002 11:09:42 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

You are a a believer and discoverer of the "Vedanta" , Fredrick... The "Vedas" are ancient scripture and collected and preserved to this day . Inspired the greatest minds and thinkers of our age : cosmicharmony.com Yet that's OK cause Jesus had a glimpse of that and felt it as well... perhaps , but not the first or the last . It's the most ancient of philosophies...which is at the heart of all religions and stirred the prophets from the beginning , and stirred upon the waters of their minds . A new way of simply seeing ... " humanity our religion each breath is a prayer , "God" is conciousness/awareness" But it is not "knowledge " that is the key , but it is in feeling and your own "experience", life is the teacher. that's why you love him so much ...so be aware & grow , and all will be revealed..in one sense you don't even need "words" but just -->breath the great Yogis say. That is and can be the best form of prayer... (Something people forget to do all the time , but the air is free always) ;-)

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (13090)	7/24/2002 11:48:08 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

The Vedas: cosmicharmony.com The Vedas deal with the science of the spirit. They contain the knowledge and procedures necessary to liberate oneself from bondage and blindness. But mere learning of them is no use. They have to be put into practice. That is the purpose of these revelations. The Vedas are the whisperings of God to man and they have been passed down and kept intact since ancient times. The vedic teachings are explained and elaborated in the Upanishads, Sastras, and the Puranas. The same teachings are enshrined in the popular eastern classics: Ramayana, the Mahabharata, and the Bhagavata. All these teach the ultimate truth that "all this is Brahmam" (the eternal transcendent God who permeates all and is given various names by different religions). The individual arises as a wave on the ocean and eventually merges back into the ocean of Brahmam. The mergence is an ecstatic reunion after a prolonged journey of isolation through space, time and form. Sages who have attained to this state of ultimate knowledge of God have proclaimed that everything in this world and the entire universe is nothing but this Brahmam who shines with the effulgence of a billion suns. This is the highest state that can be achieved and is referred to as Advaitha (A or not, Dwaitha or two). In the Advaithic state of ultimate realization, Brahmam or God is experienced as the One without a second. In this state of ecstatic union with Brahmam the appearance of duality, of forms, people, animals, objects that were previously seen to exist separately in this world as what we call objective reality dissolve into the single sight of the entity of Brahmam which is eternal and formless and yet contains all form within it. This transcendent state of ultimate union is referred to in the powerful mantras Aham Brahmaasmi (I am Brahmam) and SoHam (He am I). God is the projection ot the "eternal" in the present timeline always permeating existence. The "energies" we experience all the time within ourselves have been forever projected into the world , and we named them God , but it was always within us from the start. For what is God , if he dwells not within your own being ? All is God , or nothing is ...you don't have to choose, just be . Therein lies the greatest mystery in your own Self or Soul . Do you choose to become greater than you really are ? Be still then and know , say the Yogi-saints that were far older than than the prophets of the old Testamnent. That is only a book , and a very incomplete story . Mohammed & Jesus were touched by this feeling and those visions as well , but it cannot be enshrined just in any scritpure or Dogma , but must be "LIVED"....no-one has to be "saved" or converted , it is always there . There is no physical promised land , but that space within the heart and mind of each human being . just sit still and breath , no need to pray for anything , just be still, it was always just so simple. The Universe is a metaphor in it's vastness , of just what is within our own minds and experience . So just breath , make each breath a "prayer" the Yogis say , for the air is always free . (Know you'd like that.) ;-)

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (13090)	7/24/2002 11:59:49 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

Some consider this man to be a great saint and modern prophet ...I am of that school, for what he says and the poetry and spirit of how he says it , is unmistakably universal , and also read by millions around the world this last century alone ... as beautiful and inspired as anything that is found in the Bible , maybe more so certainly : And a man said, "Speak to us of Self-Knowledge." leb.net And he answered, saying: Your hearts know in silence the secrets of the days and the nights. But your ears thirst for the sound of your heart's knowledge. You would know in words that which you have always know in thought. You would touch with your fingers the naked body of your dreams. And it is well you should. The hidden well-spring of your soul must needs rise and run murmuring to the sea; And the treasure of your infinite depths would be revealed to your eyes. But let there be no scales to weigh your unknown treasure; And seek not the depths of your knowledge with staff or sounding line. For self is a sea boundless and measureless. Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth." Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path." For the soul walks upon all paths. The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed. The soul unfolds itself, like a lotus of countless petals.

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (13090)	7/25/2002 12:06:49 AM
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Or that great poet/Saint's message "On Love "... from the same : Love "Speak to us of Love." And he raised his head and looked upon the people, and there fell a stillness upon them. And with a great voice he said: When love beckons to you follow him, Though his ways are hard and steep. And when his wings enfold you yield to him, Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you. And when he speaks to you believe in him, Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden. For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning. Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun, So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth. Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself. He threshes you to make you naked. He sifts you to free you from your husks. He grinds you to whiteness. He kneads you until you are pliant; And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast. All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart. But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure, Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor, Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears. Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself. Love possesses not nor would it be possessed; For love is sufficient unto love. When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, I am in the heart of God." And think not you can direct the course of love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. Love has no other desire but to fulfil itself. But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires: To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night. To know the pain of too much tenderness. To be wounded by your own understanding of love; And to bleed willingly and joyfully. To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving; To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy; To return home at eventide with gratitude; And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (13090)	7/25/2002 12:25:33 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

And Rumi another sage/poet, also a Vedantist out from Islam Message 16867988 Writing one poem, is rarer and more full of grace than reading all the bibles in the world 3 times over . Truth is in your own heart not in imaginary characters that lived supposedly 1000yrs ago...and some , mostly very bad poets . Thankfully today we don't crucify the poets as much as we used to , and no-one saves anyone who himself has not written a poem . Religion should be poetry , but not read from book , but experienced in life today. There have been saints and sages , of the lives of which Christianity , Islam , and Judaism have no claim or clue, so stuck in the mindset they have become . Religion has always turned out to be the greatest martyrdom of truth , not it's revelation. That's where the science of the Vedanata come to the rescue of all. Or the rest just empty words forever confusing ...

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (13090)	7/25/2002 4:43:24 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 28931

MANNERS Recommended by the Minister of Education for use in school literature In Ontario Price 25 Cents TORONTO - McCLELLAND, GOODCHILD & STEWART LIMITED PREFACE In civil society there exists a system of manners and customs which furnishes a social formula or code of etiquette to determine the behaviour of the individual among his fellows. The object of this social code is to subdue the natural rudeness that belongs to man as a mere animal and thus clothe the brutal with a garb of unselfish forms. Kindness and consideration for the needs or wishes or feelings of others lie back of the conventional forms that are the measure of good manners. The essence of politeness consists in treating others as if they were perfectly ideal people. The polite person utterly ignores all rudeness shown him and treats others as if the intended the same polite ness toward him. This book has been prepared to meet a demand for a record of forms that obtain in polite society, and it is hoped that these forms, interpreted in the light of the principle back of them, may be of service to those for whom the book has been written. The Editor I found this yesterday in a book copyright 1914 in a small town of northern Saskatchewan... thanks to PVA

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (13090)	7/25/2002 5:46:52 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

MANNERS Recommended by the Minister of Education for use in school literature In Ontario Price 25 Cents TORONTO - McCLELLAND, GOODCHILD & STEWART LIMITED PREFACE In civil society there exists a system of manners and customs which furnishes a social formula or code of etiquette to determine the behaviour of the individual among his fellows. The object of this social code is to subdue the natural rudeness that belongs to man as a mere animal and thus clothe the brutal with a garb of unselfish forms. Kindness and consideration for the needs or wishes or feelings of others lie back of the conventional forms that are the measure of good manners. The essence of politeness consists in treating others as if they were perfectly ideal people. The polite person utterly ignores all rudeness shown him and treats others as if they intended the same politeness toward him. This book has been prepared to meet a demand for a record of forms that obtain in polite society, and it is hoped that these forms, interpreted in the light of the principle back of them, may be of service to those for whom the book has been written. The Editor Typos corrected I found this yesterday in a book copyright 1914 in a small town of northern Saskatchewan... thanks to PVA