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To: Amy J who wrote (168715)7/25/2002 7:56:25 PM
From: BelowTheCrowd  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 186894
 
Amy,

I think part of what's wrong is that you're looking at a very small slice of the activity in a single region, that is dominated by businesses in a single sector.

Silicon Valley isn't the economy. It never was and never will be reflective of the whole economy, and even in the best of times is only one of many growth engines.

Silicon Valley (and VC funded startups) have always been very cyclical. The downturn you're seeing in VC investment is typical, has happened before and will happen again. Businesses are still being started all over the place, but they're not being started by people looking for the VC deal, and they're not being founded by people who think "being an entrepreneur" = "going to parties." It's back to basics for everybody.

Down in Southern Cal, entrepreneurship is still strong. Everything from biotech to porn. Creating value all over the place. Mostly smaller deals, mostly not hyped by huge VCs, mostly not IPO candidates now or ever. Just good solid businesses that will contribute to the economy for years to come.

Even in tech, there's lots of activity, but mostly NOT in the Valley. It's too expensive. You can start a company somewhere else at a fraction of the ongoing costs, and in the current employment environment, lots of people are quite happy to move to a region where the cost of living is half, especially if it the move comes with a new job. I know a bunch of people in Salt Lake who have been luring Silicon Valley folks to their startup companies. You won't meet them at your parties in Palo Alto.

Or look at San Diego. If biotech is the next great wave (as it might be) then San Diego and Orange County are the next Silicon Valley. But you won't know that from talking to most "entrepreneurs" in the Bay Area.

Here in LA we're seeing lots of interest in new companies making security products, systems and services. Also lots of stuff related to military, defense and espionage technologies. 10 years ago lots of people were leaving aerospace and defense and using their advanced materials skills to build new businesses for titanium and composite mountain bike parts or whatever. Today lots of them are shifting their business strategies (or creating new businesses) to take everything the've learned towards the needs of the current "big spending customer" -- the US DOD.

If you're failing to see new businesses and entrepreneurship, it's only because you're looking at the startup areas of the past 10 or 20 years. Real entrepreneurs look at the needs of the present and the opportunity of the future. It is unlikely that the growth areas of the past 10 years will be the same as the growth areas of the next 10. More established companies in those "older" growth areas will certainly continue to benefit. All those new businesses are going to be consumers of computers, networking and processing power and companies like Intel will certainly benefit from their growth. One could even argue that modern computing has made new fields like biotech possible in the first place.

I would argue that you are suffering from the same myopia as much of the Valley, so it's not really surprising. In one article (wish I could remember where) recently I read of a CEO of one of the more successful companies of recent years defending the "interlocking" board relationships between many SV companies. (A concept championed by Kleiner Perkins as their "Keiratsu," modeled after the way Japanese company boards have historically worked.)

His defense was -- essentially -- that a computer tech company would benefit by having computer tech execs from other companies on their board. After all, that way they could all get a "broader view" of the business.

My thought was that this, instead, would just lead to exactly the kind of insularity that killed much of Japanese industry, and probably killed many tech companies in recent years. If they really wanted a broad view of the market, they'd put a customer or two on the board instead. A lot of companies would have avoided wasting a lot of money if they had been more careful about listening to what their potential customers were saying.

But so long as everybody in the Valley focuses exclusively on what other people in the Valley are doing, they'll probably continue to build stuff that nobody else wants, and miss opportunities to build stuff that other people need.

Want to find out about real opportunities. Talk to anybody BUT people in your own field. That's when real innovation can happen.

mg



To: Amy J who wrote (168715)7/25/2002 10:23:50 PM
From: tcmay  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 186894
 
I don't buy this theory at all.

Amy wrote:

"I believe Bush's warnings had a huge psychological impact on consumers and investors in May and June."

I didn't hear anybody talking about the "amber flag" or "green rating" or whatever Ridge, Reichsfuhrer fur den HomeSec, was nattering about. Maybe others heard this as a topic of investor worry.

Whatever, the tech recession clearly was already well under way, going back to the bursting of the Bubble in early 2000. The collapse in Intel from the 60s and 70s down to the 30s happened a year before 9-11, back in the fall of 2000. The collapse down into the low 20s happened in January-February of 2001. Meanwhile, Akamai, Inktomi, JDSU, Teligent, Commerce One, Portal, and a hundred other companies were seeing their stocks go from $50-150, typically, to a couple of dollars. Many stocks once at $100 are now selling for $0.50.

This collapse preceeded 9-11. And the "warnings" you speak of in, when was it?, May and June, had no noticeable further effect on their meager prospects.

Lots of ostensibly bad news has hit. The collapse of the dot coms, the 9-11 events, the blackouts in California, the likelihood of higher taxes (especially here in California, which is facing a massive deficit due to too many handouts to welfare addicts, bums, and other socialist programs), and of course the Enron, Tyco, Adelphia, Anderson, and Wordcom chicaneries.

My main theory for why tech is in the toilet is different. Many people and many businesses simply don't see any compelling reason to upgrade. I know you disagree, I know you say you need to buy the latest and fastest machine to do your work. Good that you need this power. The sales figures tell us that clearly most people and most businesses don't. The numbers don't lie.

And the same applies to fiber, optical switches, etc. The Reichsfuhrers warnings in May and June aren't reason fiber is dark and the connectors are corroding unused.

"The public equities are in the tank, and it seems to have created a negative life of its own. His May negativity has created an uphill battle. "

Some stocks are doing fine. The DJIA, even with its many new tech companies added in recent years, is "only" down 25% from its highs in the past year. Take out the techs and the drop is even less.

People are still buying cars, still fixing up their houses, still buying home theater systems. But they aren't buying online advertising and so that whole fake bubble ("click throughs" and "eyeballs") is helping to drag the Internet sector down. AOL alone may drag the successful part of AOL-Time-Warner down to where someone buys the assets and liquidates the AOL joke at firesale prices.

"I tend to believe the May warnings made companies much more conservative in their spending patterns."

I doubt the May-June warnings were noticed by many. Look at the big picture. Tech wasn't recovering in Q1.

"... I went to an entrepreneur's party tonight and I didn't meet any new entrepreneurs (I didn't meet any existing ones either.) It's like they're all gone, "

Careful, Amy, you sound like you're starting to panic.

"which is too bad, because now is probably the best time to start a company. Labor is easier to find, money goes further, fewer competitors to be had, etc. "

I don't see why this is a good time to start a company, unless one has a truly good idea.

"I wonder how a lack of new startups will impact the public companies today and in the future? "

The shakeout of hundreds of flaky companies with weird names like Boo.com, Firepond, Loudcloud, etc., will be a good thing.

"How much of large co revenues come from small companies? Probably small (?), so my bigger concern is: how will the lack of new companies impact the future, in the way of driving innovation and thus driving future revenues for large public companies? OTOH though one theory says, the outcome of any downturn is innovation thus, more revenue. Microsoft, Cisco, Compaq, and Intel were the result of a previous downturn. "

I've never heard this theory before, that Microsoft, Cisco, Compaq, and Intel were the result of a previous downturn. Let's take a look:

* Microsoft: Founded in the mid-70s by two Harvard students. Started operations in a small building in Albuquerque, circa 1975-76, after the Altair 8800 was released. Recession or downturn? No, the 1973-74 recession was well and truly over and this was a period of expansion.

* Cisco: Founded in the late 1980s. A small operation as of 1988. Len and Sandy used to come to parties I was at. Recession or downturn? Not by any analysis I have seen. The market crash of October 1987 was over and done with (in a few nerve-wracking weeks, but over by the end of '87, and not a downturn in any meaningful sense).

* Compaq: Founded in the wake of IBM's introduction of the PC in 1981. Got really rolling by 1984. Beat IBM to the punch with the first 386-based machine a few years later. These were the Reagan boom years, not a recession by anyone's analysis.

* Intel: Founded in 1967, rolling by 1968. Part of a long period of slow growth, with some "Go-Go Years" hysteria happening (outlined nicely in Adam Smith's "The Money Game"), but economists don't consider 1967-68 to be recession years.

(BTW, the full import of the Vietnam War had yet to be felt in the economy...the high inflation of the Nixon-Ford-Carter years was still in the future.)

So, by my count, your theory is 0 for 4.

Downturns are often times when people sit tight, happy to have jobs,

As for the innovations brought about by these companies, I have major quibbles with at least two of them. However, the innovations brought on by most of the late-90s companies are, to borrow a film title from the mid-80s, "less than zero."

--Tim May