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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1048)	7/25/2002 3:05:48 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 3959

Emile prior to 1917, Jews were mostly illiterate and confined to Ghettos, experiencing Porgom after Porgrom...That gave rise to the Practical Zionist Movement (not religious) just to get hell-out of Russia....Many came to America, Brazil, Argentina, Palestine...Jews have embraced Revolution, not created it..many came-out of deep corners only After 1917...Communist gave them initially equality, opportunity...than they were all killed or died in GULAg's along with by some estimate 40-50 mln people....

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1048)	7/25/2002 3:23:42 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

The crimes of Stalinism are not to be underestimated. That the Stalinist regime committed crimes of unprecedented magnitude and inhumanity is beyond reasonable debate. The forced collectivizations in Kazakhstan, Soviet Central Asia, and, of course the Ukraine 1 took a horrendous toll: The Great Famine of 1932-33 in which 5-10 million lives were lost, was caused in large measure by the chaos of collectivization. Although agricultural production declined in the 1930s, the export of grain increased. Robert Tucker calls forced collectivization a "state-initiated, state-directed, and state-enforced revolution from above." 2,3 The brutality of the Stalinist regime is incontrovertible. The Jewish origin of this brutality, on the other hand is a mendacious claim. holocaust-history.org