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To: Charles Tutt who wrote (50702)7/25/2002 4:37:23 PM
From: JDN  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 64865
 
Dear Charles: The "cost" of options is the dilution involved in their exercise (or the cost of the shares bought to avoid such dilution).

The accounting profession fully agrees with you and MANY YEARS AGO we ATTEMPTED to measure this by inventing the FULLY DILUTED EARNINGS PER SHARE CALCULATION. I dont want to get into a disseration on this as to much to type but basically you present two earnings, one is basic (# of Outsanding shares divided into earnings) and FULLY DILUTED which is # of outstanding shares ADJUSTED for outstanding options LESS the number of shares you COULD buy back with cash from exercise, that net figure divided into earnings per share. You can see that anytime you get away from actual into ESTIMATES you get into the problem of estimating and what that leads to. Not such a simple situation IMHO. I would MUCH RATHER leave things alone and somehow RESTRICT stock options to do what they are SUPPOSED TO DO. jdn



To: Charles Tutt who wrote (50702)7/25/2002 4:41:57 PM
From: Mighty_Mezz  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 64865
 
Howdy folks. A question re this options boogie.

Does one pay income tax on any of the money received via options?
and if so...
Doesn't one person's income have to be someone else's expense?

ålso, was 3.50 bottom? =:-o



To: Charles Tutt who wrote (50702)7/26/2002 3:18:23 PM
From: Ali Chen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 64865
 
"The "cost" of options is the dilution involved in their exercise (or the cost of the shares bought to avoid such dilution)."

It doesn't look very different to what I said earlier:

Message 17793872

"I think accounting should recognize value in compensation options regardless of their lack of liquidity"..

... and pay taxes on this value, like property tax?
Yep, it would be a tough proposal ...

- Ali