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To: Jordan A. Sheridan who wrote (71808)	7/29/2002 1:06:33 AM
From: David Howe	Respond to of 74651

Jordon, You're wasting your time explaining things to jonkai. You already know this, but.... junky understands what you are saying and knows that his posts are false and/or misleading. That doesn't stop him though. His job is to mislead the reader, post false and exagerated information and distort reality. He knows he's posting false information and lies. Pointing out that he is doing so won't change his methods. Dave

To: Jordan A. Sheridan who wrote (71808)	7/30/2002 7:01:00 PM
From: jonkai	Respond to of 74651

you state the MSFT issued 800 million shares in the last 5 years and that 36 billion needs to be transferred out of the cash pile to cover them. You characterize this as a cost to shareholders of $36 Billion dollars. This is simply not true. MSFT's shareholders are not GETTING ANY of that money MSFT is collecting, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.... which part of the 600 million shares added to MSFT's basic share count did you not understand? that includes ALL the cash MSFT gave back to shareholders.... ALL OF IT....... not a single DIME went to a SHAREHOLDER.... HELLO are you awake in there?????? deny that.... so everybody can see what kind of argument you've come up with..... what makes you think MSFT is now going to suddenly change their ways and give money back with the next 800 million shares??????? are you completely daff man? look at what is going on with your share price for the last FIVE YEARS...... now compare that with the rest of the market...... MSFT's shareholders are not GETTING ANY of that money MSFT is collecting, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.... jon.

To: Jordan A. Sheridan who wrote (71808)	7/30/2002 8:39:22 PM
From: jonkai	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

How many of the 800 million granted have already been exercised? you seem to not know how this works, MSFT shareholders exercised 600 million shares ONTOP of all buy backs.... and as of MSFT's most recent report just a few days ago, MSFT still has 800 million options outstanding...... NONE OF THEM EXERCISED yet..... as of the last time MSFT showed the break down of strike prices and average strike prices..... MSFT had strike prices as low as .56 cents a share...... 342 million options with strike prices less than about $43 a share, and about 440 million options with strike prices less than about $55 a share....... calculating the average strike price would be nice for a shareholder... that is IF you as a shareholder saw any of this average strike price..... the problem is you as a shareholder never SEES ANY of this average strike price... NONE of it.... i'll repeat so it is more current in your memory.... NONE OF IT, those 600 million new shares to your basic share count, is not in theory, this is fact... your basic share count grew by 600 million shares ALREADY, INCLUDING ALL MONEY returned to the shareholder from these average strike prices....through buy backs, or any other method for that matter..... none of that 600 million shares that has been issued ever needed a calculation of average strike prices, because those shares are not partial shares, none of them came with rebates, none of them are "special shares" they are exactly like your shares, with the same dilutive power..... and as far as some unseen benefit that you seem to have claimed by MSFT gaining employees since 1997-1999? what exactly has these employees contributed? a copy of PS2 producing negative margins? i could hire several thousand bums to give me negative margins for years on end...... what benefit has a shareholder received from these new employees? higher stock price? bigger dividend? higher earnings ? future earnings power? none of it has been your benefit, as a matter of fact earnings are trending down instead.....Revenue growth is trending down instead... mainly due to having to pay so much money to these new employees in the form of pay.... all types of pay, including stock options..... Even Unearned Revenue has to more rapidly come to the top line in future reports, because new Revenue is coming so slowly..... jon.