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To: Poet who wrote (18406)	7/29/2002 12:06:30 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

How much is due to the change in Welfare laws? How much to cultural factors? And how much to AIDS, and drugs (cultural, I guess), and the campaign to associate not aborting unplanned pregnancies with smugness and pride, as though virtue instead of irresponsibility and predictable suffering were what was implied. I don't know, maybe people who can't take care of their children should be given a stipend to stay on depo provera or something. This seems to be a very sad case. Every situation produces casualties that hurt your heart: , the mother became desperate to keep her welfare-to-work job at the city's Human Resources Administration in Lower Manhattan. She left three children with their father at the shelter I don't accept that being with their parents is the best thing for all children. Some parents are just monsters, as parents. What should be done about this is a serious question. One thought is that good orphanages are sometimes better than the parents; and that parents who have repeatedly proved themselves to be unfit shouldn't be allowed to bar adoption of their children by others who would do a better job. Foster parents would seem to be a good idea, but there is clearly a problem with supervision. True of orphanages, too, but I think those are more easily monitored. (I say "orphanages" knowing it's a bad word and that most of the children in these child care institutions wouldn't be orphans.) I'm groggy from having had my own migraine last night, and from the imitrex that knocked it out nicely, fortunately. The fresh picked corn is soooo good this year and we had a corn on the cob feast last night. Corn is dangerous. Worth it, though.

To: Poet who wrote (18406)	7/29/2002 12:17:54 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

How much is due to the change in Welfare laws? How much to cultural factors? And maybe those cultural factors are due to changes in welfare laws? There was a time when welfare was much, much harder to get than it is even now with the tightening up. And having a child out of wedlock was considered a disgrace. And a man was expected to marry a woman he got pregnant, then support her. And divorce was much harder to get. And it worked. People adapted to and lived with and supported that system. You might not like the way it worked, but many people did.