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To: epicure who wrote (53530)	7/29/2002 10:39:20 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

And that structure would inevitably become union like. It could, in some ways, but not likely. First of all, much of what channels unions is fixed in law, one size fits all. The alternatives to unions would be whatever the locals determined them to be. Kind of like capitalism vs. big inflexible government programs. <g> Also, various functions would arise spontaneously for various purposes. So you might have a committee that works on reviewing cases for fairness and discrimination and another one that deals with how supplies are allocated and another one to create a best practices clearinghouse. They would each do their own thing, not under control of the union hierarchy. They would live or die based on whether they were useful and effective. Now you could go to your union and ask it to negotiate for your clearinghouse. They might buy in or they might not. They might negotiate something that you thought was good, or they might make a mess of it. What you can't do is gather a few interested teachers and lobby management for it because that would be an unfair labor practice. Personally, I would rather have the option to be entrepreneurial with something like the clearinghouse if that was important to me than to be dependent on the union laws bureacracy. For that matter, I could use the dues I'd pay to the union to buy my own supplies or clearinghouse. The only benefit of having a union structure rather than something worked out between labor and management is in an environment where management is filled with SOBs and is in a position to totally blow off the workers, like an illegal sweat shop. If management has any concern about it's image and profits, you don't need a go between.

To: epicure who wrote (53530)	7/29/2002 10:58:05 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Hi X, And I applaud you for this: <<And I do have the option of not joining the union. There are teachers in our district who do not join. I know one of them, and she is rabidly anti union, though she takes the benefits available to her in salary and benefits that are available because of the union. I like to pay my own way, so I will join the union, since I do not want to utilize the benefits cost free. And to the NTH DEGREE on this: <<I like to pay my own way, so I will join the union, since I do not want to utilize the benefits cost free.>> YES, YES, a thousand times Yes.. And moving on, <gg>, I know when to move on and when not to..<gg>.. And I have noticed here and in real life: That MANY that have FED (no pun) at the Government Trough, Either WORKING??? ALL their lives there, or taking FED (FEED HAND OUTS) in the the way of contracts, subsidies or some other pork) are the FIRST to WHINE about some single mom getting a hundred bucks a month in food stamps.. Ironic or is it, from the beautiful eastern slope. I don't know.. Take care, m