To: IngotWeTrust who wrote (2688 ) 8/2/2002 5:50:15 PM From: E. Charters Respond to of 8273 If the concentrate is fairly rich and the gold is hard to get out, as in being fairly fine, and also tied up in arseno and pyrite, or a silver concentrate in galena, I know of a way, without cyanide, to fairly cheaply and safely take out 99% of the gold and silver in a day or so. This is perhaps 35% greater to double the recovery most people can get from a concentrate. It could be used profitably with concentrates as weak as 3 ounces to the ton. (I don't think costs would exceed 200 dollars per ton, but I admit that I have not fully tested the cost factors.) Effluent that is harmful is fairly benign and that is nitrates, but we are talking very low volume so dilution would take care of it. The process uses three commonly available cheap salts and either uses power or not. It was not known to modern science until a few years ago, but was used by the Peruvian Indians 500 years ago. I don't know if I want to give the process away, gratis, as it is too specialized and will no doubt make money for the user. I would consider making and selling kits of the chemicals and reactor for the safe utilization of the process. It does make some fumes that should be dissipated in a flue and to open air. The vessels should be a certain construction and it needs Ph testing to operate properly. The time to dissolve is variable and it can use constant stirring, pumping and/or air injection, which has to be carefully rigged with non corrosive materials and actuation. A similar process is used in Australia with a company called HMC, and there are others who have tackled similar concepts. The chief objections to the processes here have been their cost to abate the nitrate pollution water. In a high volume industrial operation the cost with most nitrate processes, could be perhaps one ounce per ton. For reasons of volume, this abation cost would not be a bad problem with a small scale operation. The HMC process is slightly different and its cost is much lower. From this we can see that the reagant cost is not that high. It is also probably true that since concentrate handling and losses being a large problem for the small operator, the cost, even with high end figures, given the enormous increase in recovery, could be easily born. EC<:-}