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To: Alan Whirlwind who wrote (15037)	8/3/2002 12:02:45 PM
From: Ahda	Respond to of 81795

Why didn't the CIA get brought before a public congressional hearing and lambasted for not informing the FBI that certain creeps were entering the country. The why is perception to the public that the CIA was efficient which we know was not the case. Rather than state we have a bunch of blundering idiots running depts who need to GET THE BOOT we end with what colour of booties shall we put on this cute lot? Heaven forbid that the people of this nation realize how much of a problem we truly have. It is an act no one is wishing to take responsibility for and it leads to dishonest. The solution becomes to hide the dirt under the rug rather than clean up the mess. The results eventually become that of Enron. Many little mole hills have finally become a mountain that can no longer be disguised. Why wasn't the INS reorganized from top to bottom with top execs getting shown to the door? I am not familiar with the term INS i am taking this as meaning of internal security system. On the light side in class you find you have five children who on a constant base are batting 100% on tests. You are darn suspicious so you ask all five what is going on. You have five kids wanting to protect each other the results so far have been good for them and the hope is no one can figure out how they are getting a copy of the test. The problem you know is there. If you are tied by rulings that mean you cannot take immediate action until you bring it to the attention of the administrator, the problem is to get to see the acministrator. The administration in the mean time has a riot on their hands so this thing is not going to get solved in a timely manner. The results have been so superior for the kids in the elimination of work the practice has started to become an accepted method for taking a test. Sealed tests come out and the whole school fails and finally the fact there is a huge problem is known. Eventually the mole of dirt beneath the mountain becomes so vast it becomes impossible to deny its existence. If the children continue this practice the longer they manage do so the more accepted the method become. On the far fetched side we now have totally incapable kids. 1. Dishonest public administration Rather than state that all administration is dishonest the fact amounts to one must act to nip the action while it is in bud. Dis we dont know how to do so: De result is one big mountain of sh-t that has developed. I am darn sure rhis is years of shifting de dung under de rug. Time to air out the house.

To: Alan Whirlwind who wrote (15037)	8/3/2002 2:44:01 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81795

Al >the investigation .... could have uncovered or helped throw a monkey wrench into the works of the 911 plotters Precisely. That is why, because of its reluctance to have a proper investigation into the events of 911, or even to allow evidence to be brought into civil hearings, the US Administration appears more and more to be complicit in the various terrorist acts. It's obvious that they can't expose or charge the various FBI or CIA officials who subverted information and/or investigations at the time because those guys were, more than likely, acting under instructions. Giving the Administration the benefit of the doubt that they didn't actually do 911, it's quite clear, to me at any rate, that certain important people knew something bad was going to happen and they allowed it to , presumably, because they saw a tactical or economic advantage in their anticipated response. I know it seems extraordinarily cynical to say that the government of America could see Americans die because of some or other advantage, but one is left with no alternative than to believe just that. However, since no particular benefit (other than access to Asian oil) seems to have accrued to the US, but a great deal to Israel, one is also left with the high suspicion that Mossad and/or other pro-Israeli organizations were involved. I don't know if it's called collusion, conspiracy or treason when a government acts against the interests of its own people but, whatever it is, many people in this world see it that way. What I find the most fascinating, however, is how the government of the US and the CEOs of the large corporations act in exactly the same dishonest way. Is it simply a matter of unbridled greed or absolute power corrupting absolutely or is there some other factor?