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To: SirRealist who wrote (35945)8/5/2002 12:16:41 PM
From: KLP  Respond to of 281500
 
OT~Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings...I had somewhat similar uneasy feelings on Sept 10, 2001, and posted this...

Message 16325931

Looks like Rumsfeld agrees....But I also appreciate your words and agree with most of them. However, I am mindful of history as well, so instead of my own weak words, I found some other words that seem to convey my thoughts....Particularly the first and last quotes.....

Rumsfeld Moves to Slash Military Bureaucracy

go2net.com

Quotes:

Be Prepared....
Boy Scout Motto
Girl Scout Motto

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is
for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."

-- James Madison, Speech in the Virginia Convention; June 16, 1788

"We Americans understand freedom; we have earned it, we have lived for it, and we have died for it. This nation and its people are freedom's models in a searching world. We can be freedom's missionaries in a doubting world."

-- Barry Goldwater, Speech to the Republican National Convention; June 16, 1964

"What makes Western civilization worth saving is the freedom of the mind; now under heavy attack from the primitives . . . who have persisted among us. If we have not the courage to defend that faith, it won't matter much whether we are saved or not."

-- Elmer Davis, But We Were Born Free; 1954

"Public virtue cannot exist without private virtue."

--John Adams

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
--Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857

December 8, 1941 - Address to Congress
"Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan."



To: SirRealist who wrote (35945)8/5/2002 2:04:31 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Actual transcript of Testimony from Richard Butler on Iraq and WMD July 31, 2002... The other items we have had here were what the newspaper columinists thought and believed they heard....Here's what he actually said....


Testimony
Testimony by Richard Butler on Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction

Statement at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Washington, D.C.
cfr.org!4687
July 31, 2002

Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction

Ambassador Richard Butler
Former Executive Chairman of UNSCOM
Diplomat in Residence, Council on Foreign Relations

Iraq?s stated position is that it has no weapons of mass destruction (WMD). As recently as last week, two senior Iraqi officials ? the Deputy Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister ? reiterated this claim.

It is more than interesting that in his public statements, Saddam Hussein never claims to be disarmed. On the contrary, he threatens a degree of destruction of his enemies which implies his possession of mighty weapons.

It is essential to recognize that the claim made by Saddam?s representatives, that Iraq has no WMD, is false. Everyone concerned, from Iraq?s neighbors to the UN Security Council and the Secretary-General of the UN, with whom Iraq is currently negotiating on the issue, is being lied to.

It is now over ten years since Iraq was instructed by the UN Security Council to cooperate with action to ?destroy, remove, or render harmless? its weapons of mass destruction. Those weapons were specified by the council as: all nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons; the means to make them; and missiles with a range exceeding a hundred and sixty kilometers.

The Security Council?s instruction to Iraq was binding under international law. All other states were, equally, bound by that law to deny Iraq any assistance or cooperation in the field of WMD.

From the beginning, Iraq refused to obey the law. Instead, it actively sought to defeat its application in order to preserve its WMD capability.

The work of UNSCOM, the body created by the Security Council to implement its decisions on Iraq?s WMD, had varying degrees of success. But, above all, it was not permitted to finish the job. Almost four years ago the Iraqi?s terminated its work. Iraq has been free of inspection or monitoring since then.

This briefest of recollections of relevant background history reveals two salient facts: Iraq remains in breach of the law; it has been determined to maintain a WMD capability.

We need to know as far as is possible, Iraq?s current WMD status.

Nuclear Weapons

Saddam has sought nuclear weapons for some two decades. Ten years ago he intensified his efforts, instituting a ?crash program.? The Gulf War put an end to this. Subsequent inspection and analysis by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and UNSCOM, showed that in spite of relatively deficient indigenous sources of the fissionable material needed to make a nuclear weapon, Saddam?s program was as close as six months from yielding a bomb.

Of the three components necessary for the fabrication of a nuclear explosive device: materials, equipment, knowledge; Iraq has the latter two. On the relevant equipment/components, Iraq refused to yield them to the inspectors.

The key question now is has Iraq acquired the essential fissionable material either by enriching indigenous sources or by obtaining it from external sources?

I don?t know the answer. It is possible that intelligence authorities, in the west and/or Russia do. But, there is evidence that Saddam has reinvigorated his nuclear weapons program in the inspection-free years.

Over two years ago, the IAEA estimate was that if he started work again, Saddam could build a nuclear weapon in about two years.

Chemical Weapons (CW)

Saddam?s involvement with chemical weapons also spans some twenty years. He used them in the Iran-Iraq war in the mid-eighties and on Iraqi?s who challenged his rule, in 1988.

UNSCOM identified an array of CW agents manufactured by Iraq. This included the most toxic of them ? VX. Iraq?s CW program was extensive. UNSCOM was able to destroy or otherwise account for a substantial portion of Iraq?s CW holdings and manufacturing capability. But, not all of it.

It was particularly significant that following UNSCOM?s discovery of Iraq?s VX program and the fact that Iraq had loaded it and other CW and BW agents into missile warheads, Iraq strengthened its determination to remove UNSCOM from Iraq.

Biological Weapons (BW)

Iraq also maintained an extensive BW program with an array of BW agents. Its attempts to conceal this program were the most elaborate, implying that BW were particularly important to Saddam.

Iraq weaponized BW. For example, it loaded anthrax into missile warheads and continually researched new means of delivery: spraying devices; pilotless aircraft.

Unscom?s absolute refusal to accept the transparently false Iraqi claims about its ?primitive, failed and unimportant? BW program and its examination of the possibility that Iraq had tested BW on humans also contributed to Iraq?s resolve, in 1998, to terminate Unscom?s work.

Missiles
Iraq?s main proscribed ballistic missile was the SCUDs it had imported from the USSR. It also sought to clone those indigenously and continually sought to develop other medium and long range missiles.

Unscom?s accounting of Iraq?s SCUDs was reasonably complete: a good portion of them had been fired or destroyed during the Gulf War. But the disposition of a number of them, possibly as many as 20, was never unambiguously established.

In addition, Iraq was working, while UNSCOM was still in Iraq, on the further development of a missile capability which would breach the 160 kilometer range limit. I asked them to stop that work. They refused.

There was another issue in the missile field which also contributed to Iraq shutting down UNSCOM in 1998. I asked Iraq to yield some 500 tonnes of fuel which would only drive Scud engines. It refused.

It is very important to make the following points:
We do not know and never have known fully the quantity and quality of Iraq?s WMD. Its policies of concealment ensured this.

We do know that it has had such weapons, has used them, remains at work on them.

What it has been able to further achieve in the four years without inspection is not clear, is precise terms. That is the inner logic of inspections- you cannot see what you are not permitted to look at.

Saddam Hussein knows what he is working on and the assets he holds in the WMD field. His refusal to allow inspections to resume has nothing to
do with notions of Iraqi sovereignty. It is designed to prevent the discovery of and to protect, his WMD program.

Intelligence agencies might know more than they are able to say in public.
Certainly what has been published of defector and intelligence reports confirms that, during the past four years, Iraq has been hard at work, across the board, to increase its WMD capability.

There are a number of deeply disturbing possibilities within Saddam?s WMD program which need urgent attention, but especially these: has he acquired a nuclear weapons capability by purchasing it from former Soviet stock; is he working, in the BW field, on smallpox, plague, ebola?

Why is Saddam so deeply attached to these diabolical weapons and defended this attachment at massive cost to Iraq and its people?

In many respects he has told us himself, in his various public outbursts. They make him strong against enemies within and without Iraq. They support his posturing to lead the Arab world against its enemies.

Even more disturbing than Saddam?s goals and view of the world, is his apparently cataclysmic mentality. He surely must know that, especially following September 11, any use by him and indeed any threat of use of WMD against the United States, or possibly its allies, would bring a terrible response.

It would be intelligent for him to now recognize that his WMD capability is an insupportable liability for him and his regime. Yet, he shows no sign of doing so. This is perhaps the ultimate pathology of the man.

Will he make his WMD available to terrorist groups?

I don?t know. We do know that Iraq has trained terrorists from around the region and has mounted terrorist actions of its own, as far afield as in South East Asia. But I have seen no evidence of Iraq providing WMD to non-Iraqi terrorist groups.

I suspect that, especially given his psychology and aspirations, Saddam would be reluctant to share what he believes to be an indelible source of his power.

On the elemental question of whether, contrary to assertions authorized by him, Saddam possesses WMD, I would refer to the traditional test of whether or not a person can be judged to have committed a crime: did the accused have the motive, means, and opportunity? Saddam plainly has had and continues to have, all three.

What should be concluded from these facts?

The resumption of arms control in Iraq is urgently required. But, it would have to be serious. If Iraq again refused to cooperate, then to pursue compromised inspections would be dangerous.

If it is decided to take military action against Saddam it will be crucial for it to be for the right reasons. There are, in fact, three: Saddam?s flagrant violation of human rights; his continuing refusal to comply with international law as expressed in binding decisions of the Security Council; and, his violation of arms control obligations and treaties.