To: Night Trader who wrote (15070 ) 8/6/2002 12:44:17 AM From: TimbaBear Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 78594 martin knight Interesting post!Dell spokesman T.R. Reid responded to my questions by noting the company is in an industry in which stock options are the norm. "It is highly unlikely the company could have achieved such high rates of growth over time, and resulting shareholder value, without stock-based compensation as a tool for recruiting, providing incentive to and retaining literally tens of thousands of employees," he said." I hear this notion bandied about like it is an immutable law, but I think it is merely convenient for managements (so they can mask the true expense of compensation or pass it on to the shareholder), so it is unlikely to change without extreme pressure."...Dell used 56% of its free cash flow over these 13 quarters to buy back its own shares.... " While your percentages may be true (I haven't cross-checked them) they hide the important fact that this trend at DELL has accelerated each year for at least the last three."At Dell, the situation was even more extreme last fiscal year: Had it spent 100% of its free cash flow on buybacks, the share count still would have risen 0.8%. Thus, one could argue that Dell had negative free cash flow for shareholders last year." This was what prompted my publishing of my analysis of their cash flow. One would be hard pressed to find a more widely respected engine of profitable business enterprise that exemplifies the blending of technology, internet and sound business strategies than DELL, yet it is utterly amazing that the shareholders don't benefit at all. NOT AT ALL!!!!Reid at Dell notes the jump in stock options granted last year was due partly to many new employees and also to a special double option grant. However, unlike regular options, which begin vesting immediately, the extra options don't begin vesting for two years (all options vest over five years). Reid said the recently granted options are neither vested nor in the money, so the stock price will have to rise over time for them to be worth anything, thereby aligning Dell employees' incentives with those of shareholders. Nice phrasing, but it doesn't work that way at DELL. What really happens is that the stock option program aligns the employees' incentives with management greed and both combine to screw the shareholder.To some extent, this analysis penalizes Dell for having a stock that's done well over time (though obviously not in the past year or so). The dilution that took place in fiscal 2001 was due mostly to stock options granted many years ago, when the stock was at a much lower price. Had the stock done badly, then many of the options would have expired worthless and the company also would have been able to buy back more of its shares for the same amount, but shareholders would, of course, be worse off today. I don't follow your reasoning here. Whether the price does well or it doesn't has no impact on the shareholder as far as the shareholder participating in the profits of the company. The shareholder doesn't have any profits left over after the stock incentives are paid off. The stock performance has been poor the last two years and all that has accomplished was to bring more clearly into focus the screwing the shareholder is getting with this company. With no dividends and no participation in the profits of the company, the shareholder is forced to ascribe to the "greater fool" theory and hope that the price rises and he can sell out to a greater fool than himself. As a shareholder in any company, I don't mind paying management and employees a piece of the profits as a combination of a bonus for a job well done and an incentive to keep up the good work. When the company is a publicly traded entity, I don't think that the combined bonus/incentive package for management and employees should exceed 20% of yearly profits. For the incentives to assume more than that percentage is unconscionable, for them to approach or exceed 100% is criminal in my opinion. To me, this level violates the fiduciary responsibility I believe all managements of publicly traded companies have with their shareholders. DELL is my candidate as the poster child for this type of fiduciary violation. Timba