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To: JohnM who wrote (36170)	8/6/2002 8:45:38 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

John, I did a quick search on the Dark Prince's chosen mouthpiece in this particular operation, and here's a couple interesting links. First, having earlier today brought up W's good buddy Pootie Poot's lineage as ex-KGB type, I got to point out this one: The Higher Police: Vladimir Putin and His Predecessors nationalinterest.org Well, modestly interesting anyway, I wouldn't exactly say Murawiec came up with any stunning insight there. More topically, there was Murawiec's response to this early on essay from a Pakistani : nautilus.org I didn't find that particularly offensive, being one to obnoxiously point out the history of "the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers" from time to time. But it sure sent old Murawiec through the roof, as you can read in nautilus.org Seems like Laurent must have been well schooled in advance in the "Arab Mind" method of analysis to come up with that one off the top of his head. One bit: Elie Hobeika, head of a Christian-Arab Lebanese militia, orders the murder of 1,500 Moslems in two refugee camps in Beirut, Sabra and Shatila; he later becomes a government minister of Lebannon, under Syrian supervision. (This in the framework of 15 years of civil war with uncounted victims and hard to believe displays of cruelty); Sabra and Shatila were surrounded by Israeli troops when the Phalangists were sent in, so I don't exactly see how Hobeika was actually in position to order anything there. Murawiec does seem to slip up on the "correct" casualty estimate there, though. And as for uncounted victims, from my own research, there seems to have been a somewhat scrupulous effort to avoid a civilian tally on the whole '82 Lebanon effort, which involved a lot of shelling of civilian areas well before the Sabra / Shatila thing.