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To: TimF who wrote (149175)8/7/2002 12:12:48 PM
From: Alighieri  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575946
 
Meanwhile the international opposition to an attack on Iraq mounds....in this interview, prince Saud dispels the notion that SA privately supports the administration in this adventure

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Saudis: Don't Attack Iraq From Here
Wed Aug 7,11:39 AM ET

By DONNA ABU-NASR, Associated Press Writer

Saudi Arabia has made clear to Washington — publicly and privately — that
the U.S. military will not be allowed to use the kingdom's soil in any way for an
attack on Iraq, Foreign Minister Prince Saud said Wednesday.

Saud said in an interview with The Associated Press that his country opposes
any U.S. operation against Iraq "because we believe it is not needed, especially
now that Iraq is moving to implement United Nations ( news - web sites)
resolutions."

"We have told them we don't (want) them to use Saudi grounds" for any attack
on Iraq, he said.

With speculation building about possible U.S. military action. Iraq last week
invited U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix to Baghdad for talks that could
lead to a resumption of the inspections after more than 3 years.

President Bush ( news - web sites) has said he is committed to a regime
change in Iraq, and Washington has dismissed the Blix invitation as a ploy.

In a letter replying to the Iraqi offer, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan ( news -
web sites) told Baghdad it must accept the Security Council's terms for the
return of weapons inspectors.

Under U.N. Security Council resolutions, sanctions imposed after Iraq's 1990
invasion of Kuwait cannot be lifted until U.N. inspectors certify that Iraq's
biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons have been destroyed along with the
long-range missiles to deliver them.

The United States reportedly has quietly moved munitions, equipment and
communications gear to the al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar from Saudi Arabia in
recent months, concerned the kingdom would not lend its full support to military
action.

Arab nations uniformly have come out against a U.S. military campaign to oust
Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites), even though there is little love regionally
for the Iraqi leader. Most Arab nations joined the U.S.-led Gulf War ( news - web
sites) coalition that liberated Kuwait in 1991, with Saudi Arabia inviting U.S.
troops to the oil-rich kingdom to help defend it against Saddam's forces.

On Wednesday, Saud denied any speculation that Saudi Arabia might privately
support action to remove Saddam despite its public opposition.

He said the private line to Washington was no different from the public remarks:

"We couldn't have made our position more clear, our leaders have said this and
everybody responsible in the kingdom has said this."

"For the government of Iraq, the leadership of Iraq, any change that happens
there has to come from the Iraqi people. This is our attitude," Saud said.

Opposition to U.S. action against Iraq has also been growing more vocal in
Europe.

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder this week came out against an attack.
In an interview published Wednesday, he said military action would wreck the
international coalition, throw the Mideast into turmoil and hurt the economy.

A government minister in Britain, a country seen as Bush's strongest supporter
against Iraq, suggested Baghdad's gesture to readmit inspectors could make
military action unnecessary.

While getting rid of Saddam is desired, "what is important is that we focus on
getting the inspectors in and we make sure that the threat of weapons of mass
destruction is dealt with," Foreign Office Minister Mike O'Brien said.

Meanwhile, the prince dismissed a flap over a briefing at the Pentagon ( news -
web sites) at which an analyst accused Saudi Arabia of supporting terrorism
and recommended to a policy group that Washington hand the kingdom an
ultimatum.

U.S. officials have since distanced themselves from the comments by the
analyst from the Rand think tank — but it revived sharp criticism of Saudi
Arabia, which some U.S. officials say has not done enough against terrorism.

Asked about the criticism, Saud said there were "individuals who have their
opinions about Saudi Arabia. We think they are based on false assumptions
and on untruths in most instances."

He said his country's 70-year-old relations with Washington remain solid. "From
our part and from the talks that we have had in the administration ... we have
seen no change in attitude toward Saudi Arabia," the prince said.



To: TimF who wrote (149175)8/7/2002 12:13:00 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1575946
 
Simple. The cruise missile attack ordered by Clinton did nothing. The current attacks have kicked the Taliban out of power and destroyed a lot of Al-Qaida infrastructure. They have also enabled us to kill and capture lots of Al-Qaida and find out information about them. A reasonable argument can be made that more needs to be done, but what has been done is a lot more then ten, twenty or thirty times what Clinton did. More like ten, twenty or thirty million times what Clinton did.

Tim, sorry but you're full of Bush propaganda.........read my next post!

ted



To: TimF who wrote (149175)8/7/2002 12:18:08 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1575946
 
Things have been quiet while the Taliban have regrouped.......in the past month, the action has picked back up and now we personally have to protect the Afghan president. Rumsfield is full of sh*t and has accomplished nothing other than courting the media and convincing them he is the great white hope.

We will pay for this war for years.


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15 Killed in Kabul Attack

By CHARLES J. HANLEY
.c The Associated Press

KABUL, Afghanistan (Aug. 7) - Attackers struck an Afghan army base on Wednesday in southern Kabul, and 15 people were killed, including 11 guerrillas, authorities reported.

The base commander claimed the attackers were Arabs and Pakistanis, but that could not be confirmed.

It was the most serious battle in the capital in months, and came just a day after U.S. troops killed four men who reportedly opened fire on them in Kunar province, 90 miles to the northeast.

The two incidents, and another involving U.S. troops on Monday, represented an upsurge in violence during a relatively quiet period eight months after the fall of Afghanistan's Taliban government.

The attack on the Kabul army garrison began about 7 a.m. when the guerrillas, armed with AK-47 semiautomatic rifles, rushed the post in the Bagram-i District, about six miles south of the center of the capital, said the local police commander, Col. Haji Rashid.

Soldiers fought back mainly with rocket-propelled grenades, he said. The base commander, Bismullah Khan, told The Associated Press that in a three-hour battle his men pursued the attackers as they retreated to a nearby mountain, surrounded them and killed 11.

He said three of his men also were killed. A wounded civilian died en route to a hospital, said Maj. Angela Herbert, a spokeswoman for the International Security Assistance Force, the multinational force that patrols Kabul.

One guerrilla and four soldiers were wounded, the Afghan officials said.

The guerrillas apparently were trapped by the soldiers and shot against a steep lower slope of the mountain, where large bloodstains could later be seen after their bodies were taken away.

''They were Arabs and Pakistanis,'' said Khan, the garrison commander, but he did not say how this had been determined.

Rashid, the police commander, said 20 soldiers and 20 police were involved in the fight. He said the attackers ''came from the south of Kabul, from the direction of the mountains and villages.''

None of the U.S. troops in Afghanistan was known to have been involved in the Kabul battle, although unidentified Americans in civilian clothes were later seen inspecting the site.

On Tuesday, American troops patrolling in eastern Afghanistan's Kunar province killed four men in an automobile who opened fire on them, said Col. Roger King at Bagram, the U.S. military headquarters. He said a fifth man in the car also was hit and wounded when the Americans returned fire.

King said the men were believed to be al-Qaida members, and a large amount of cash from a country in the region - which he did not identify - was found in the car.

The provincial intelligence chief, Jan Shah, told the AP that the Americans opened fire on the car when it did not stop to be searched in the Shagai area, near the provincial capital, Asadabad. He said the question of whether the men were armed was under investigation.

Another local leader, tribal chief Haji Rooh Ullah, told the AP that the four killed were Afghans and former Taliban. He said they were all members of one family, relatives of the former Taliban provincial governor. Shah, the intelligence official, said the men had not been actively opposing the new U.S.-supported government

On Monday, U.S. troops patrolling the same area killed two men who were said to have fired on them from a hilltop.

''Part of the process of doing patrols like this is to attempt to flush out the enemy that may be operating in that area, and then eventually drive the enemy out of an area,'' King said Wednesday. ''We view two days of contact as a success.''

U.S. forces have been in Kunar province, which borders Pakistan, for more than a month. King said recent attacks could be a combination of a change of tactics by the adversary and changes in the way the U.S. military is operating, putting more soldiers in the field and being more active in their patrols.

In Kabul, eight months after a U.S.-led military campaign ousted the Taliban government and scattered the al-Qaida terrorist network, the multinational ISAF contingent has generally maintained the peace in the capital. But fighting has flared in outlying provinces between armed factions vying for power, and the central government has remained on guard against possible attacks by resurgent Taliban or al-Qaida units.

Last week, Afghan authorities reported intercepting a would-be car bomber in the heart of Kabul, before he could set off his half-ton of explosives. He was said to have come from the region south of Kabul.

Although unidentified gunmen have occasionally fired briefly on patrols by the Kabul multinational force and other targets, the capital has been spared such pitched firefights - and heavy casualties - in the eight months since the Taliban fled from power.

AP-NY-08-07-02 0655EDT

Copyright 2002 The Associated Press.